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Argument Cultures and Unregulated Aggression

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Re: Argument Cultures and Unregulated Aggression

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The speech in the video is political propaganda speech. Not only does it use emotional words but it uses value-laden words extensively... both to reinforce the character of the speaker and to underscore the speaker's message. The speaker wishes to come across as passionate because of the persuasive power of that kind of tone/tempo. If a company's engineering culture is anything like that I'd be worried. > The article…

Hm, interesting. This seems like a "Spock vs. Bones" type of worldview, although I would have never guessed that I would side with Bones (age, probably?). Yeah, perhaps if you want fully rational discussion, then emotions are counterproductive. But should that mean we should have this sterile environment without any passion? And does showing a passion really means aggression? I just don't think so.

That depends, personally I prefer to have a rational discussion about technology decisions. Sure we inevitably feel some emotion when we care about our work... but:

- Sometimes one person's emotion turns into bluster that can be unwittingly intimidating to others.

- Emotions should be an input into a meta-rational process, not something that can override it.

- The goal here is getting the most buy-in and problem solving out of a group of people. In my experience going into a decision with eyes open about the tradeoffs is always a good thing.

Re: Argument Cultures and Unregulated Aggression

#62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The speech in the video is political propaganda speech. Not only does it use emotional words but it uses value-laden words extensively... both to reinforce the character of the speaker and to underscore the speaker's message. The speaker wishes to come across as passionate because of the persuasive power of that kind of tone/tempo. If a company's engineering culture is anything like that I'd be worried. > The article…

Hm, interesting. This seems like a "Spock vs. Bones" type of worldview, although I would have never guessed that I would side with Bones (age, probably?). Yeah, perhaps if you want fully rational discussion, then emotions are counterproductive. But should that mean we should have this sterile environment without any passion? And does showing a passion really means aggression? I just don't think so.

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Re: Argument Cultures and Unregulated Aggression

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> There's an online meme that goes, "Arguing with an engineer is a lot like wrestling with a pig in the mud; after a couple of hours, you realize the pig likes it." I'm an engineer. I've been online for over 30 years, including Usenet days, and I never even once saw such a "meme". This is slander, and I object to it.

I know right? She calls names at the start of the article and then attempts to strike a superior pose. This is one of the worst articles I've read in a long while. It is emotionalism writ large. The mere fact that she poisons the well at the very beginning shows she is ignorant of argument.

you guys should email her, and tell her she's wrong.
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