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Re: Using Private Email, Hillary Clinton Thwarted Record Requests

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Post by uxp » Wed, Mar 04, 2015, 2:30 PM UTC

snissn wrote: post #37

I don't understand this story -- according to the smoking gun report, there's only evidence that this one guy sent her emails to her person account ( possibly by an autocomplete or address book oversight? ) and not any evidence that she sent any emails of replies back. If she wasn't sending emails from the account, and just one person was using her person address as the recipient, it seems just like a one off minor o…

Clinton is also accused of not just using a personal email account for some stuff, but rather didn't have a .gov account at all.

Re: Using Private Email, Hillary Clinton Thwarted Record Requests

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Post by tarminian » Wed, Mar 04, 2015, 2:30 PM UTC

Wissmania wrote: post #33

How is this supposed to be a scandal exactly? The issue seems to be that she could of hid something in her personal emails by not turning everything over. But couldn't any official have just used their gov email for "official business" and use their personal email for stuff they want to hide? Doesn't every politician actually do this? The fact that Clinton is letting personal correspondence mix with government corres…

"The only issue that has the possibility of being legitimate in is the Benghazi stuff. Technically, it could have been a deliberate move to make emails related to Benghazi un-searchable during the investigation. Of course, this only actually matters if those emails contain anything significant/damning, and they probably don't."

Are you saying that she setup a non-gov email so she could make benghazi emails un-searchable before benghazi even happend? CT much?

Re: Using Private Email, Hillary Clinton Thwarted Record Requests

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Post by sanderjd » Wed, Mar 04, 2015, 2:31 PM UTC

JustSomeNobody wrote: post #52

sanderjd wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm as ignorant about this as I suspect everyone else here is (that is, we've seen reports in our respective favored news sources, but not read any source materials), but my understanding is that these are rules, not laws (thus, not what courts are for), and that it isn't clear the current rules were in place at the time (though I'm not sure why people aren't reporting on that facet more, because it seems important).

I admit I'm a bit confused. I've read several articles about this and each have used rules and law almost interchangeable.

Yeah, the reporting on it hasn't been great, because the details aren't the story, the story is the name "Hillary Clinton". I'm very curious about the details of how this stuff works for all officials. Are there rules? What are they? Who do they apply to? Are there actual laws? If so, what are they? But "An Investigation Into Government Email Policy" would never be run on its own.

Re: Using Private Email, Hillary Clinton Thwarted Record Requests

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Post by themgt » Wed, Mar 04, 2015, 2:31 PM UTC

loumf wrote: post #19

uptown wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"The computer server that transmitted and received Hillary Rodham Clinton's emails — on a private account she used exclusively for official business when she was secretary of state — traced back to an Internet service registered to her family's home in Chappaqua, New York, according to Internet records reviewed by The Associated Press." [...] "Operating her own server would have afforded Clinton additional legal oppo…

They are probably talking about the DNS records. If you look up my domain, it will list my home address, but the server is not in my house. The second quote is pure conjecture once they didn't understand what a DNS record is.

Domain Name: CLINTONEMAIL.COM

  Registrant Name: PERFECT PRIVACY, LLC
  Registrant Organization:
  Registrant Street: 12808 Gran Bay Parkway West
  Registrant City: Jacksonville
  Registrant State/Province: FL
  Registrant Postal Code: 32258
  Registrant Country: US
  Registrant Phone: +1.5707088780
  Registrant Phone Ext:
  Registrant Fax:
  Registrant Fax Ext:
  Registrant Email: kr5a95v468n@networksolutionsprivateregistration.com

MX

  10 clintonemail.com.inbound10.mxlogic.net.
  10 clintonemail.com.inbound10.mxlogicmx.net.

Re: Using Private Email, Hillary Clinton Thwarted Record Requests

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Post by pertinhower » Wed, Mar 04, 2015, 2:32 PM UTC

This is an unusually political post to have risen so high on Hacker News. Is that because of the significance of email to the story? The use of email in this case is not very technically interesting. Or is there some other attraction?

Re: Using Private Email, Hillary Clinton Thwarted Record Requests

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Post by orbifold » Wed, Mar 04, 2015, 2:37 PM UTC

sanderjd wrote: post #50

JustSomeNobody wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh, definitely more of the same. Until this nation's citizens stop the my party is better than your party BS and actually start paying attention to what these people are doing to our country, we'll never have change.

The "everything's terrible!" tone of your comment is one of the major problems and main contributors to the partisan divide. It would be harder to get people riled up for their pet party if more people were aware that, hey, things are going pretty well! It would make the things that aren't going as well easier to identify and work on.

Well things are not going pretty well, there is still no real solution to the crash of 2008 in sight, right now we still have essentially bankrupt banks that are trading worthless assets in an artificially created market. Look at the charts in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Household_income_in_the_United_... for example, real average hourly wages are still lower than in the 1970s, gdp growth has largely decoupled from the real economy, large sectors of which have shrunk.

Re: Using Private Email, Hillary Clinton Thwarted Record Requests

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Post by JustSomeNobody » Wed, Mar 04, 2015, 2:40 PM UTC

shortoncash wrote: post #39

JustSomeNobody wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh, definitely more of the same. Until this nation's citizens stop the my party is better than your party BS and actually start paying attention to what these people are doing to our country, we'll never have change.

I don't blame the public for this. I blame the media. Elections aren't won on the votes of principled liberals or conservatives. They're won based on the easy-votes of people who haven't dedicated the time to investigating whether there's substance behind any of the marketing claims of the two major parties. So what happens to these people during election season? Candidates are hidden from them, some candidates are g…

While I certainly agree the media has an agenda and feeds us what they want, the public has to take responsibility as well. Each of us is responsible for our own actions (in this case, votes).

Also, that video was hilarious.

Re: Using Private Email, Hillary Clinton Thwarted Record Requests

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Post by dingaling » Wed, Mar 04, 2015, 2:40 PM UTC

Wissmania wrote: post #33

How is this supposed to be a scandal exactly? The issue seems to be that she could of hid something in her personal emails by not turning everything over. But couldn't any official have just used their gov email for "official business" and use their personal email for stuff they want to hide? Doesn't every politician actually do this? The fact that Clinton is letting personal correspondence mix with government corres…

> How is this supposed to be a scandal exactly?

How about the release of proprietary and sensitive data into an unverified third-party system? Potentially traversing the Internet unencrypted in the process.

I've seen people dismissed from companies for that. Shouldn't Government be even more rigorous?

Re: Using Private Email, Hillary Clinton Thwarted Record Requests

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Post by fnordfnordfnord » Wed, Mar 04, 2015, 2:41 PM UTC

hessenwolf wrote: post #3

nodata wrote: post #2

Interesting timing of this revelation.

Is the idea to attack her early so it burns out early, or is this genuinely to attack her? These articles really read like an episode of House of Cards.

I expect to see these kinds of things released/rehashed periodically until the conclusion of the race, or until Hillary drops out. That goes for the R's candidates as well.

Re: Using Private Email, Hillary Clinton Thwarted Record Requests

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Post by EdSharkey » Wed, Mar 04, 2015, 2:42 PM UTC

shortoncash wrote: post #39

JustSomeNobody wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh, definitely more of the same. Until this nation's citizens stop the my party is better than your party BS and actually start paying attention to what these people are doing to our country, we'll never have change.

I don't blame the public for this. I blame the media. Elections aren't won on the votes of principled liberals or conservatives. They're won based on the easy-votes of people who haven't dedicated the time to investigating whether there's substance behind any of the marketing claims of the two major parties. So what happens to these people during election season? Candidates are hidden from them, some candidates are g…

The media has a huge hand in this, sure. But fiscal conservatives have been complaining about the corporatists and big spenders in the gop since Goldwater at least. There should have been a popular backlash.

You can claim Reagan was that backlash, but he was just another big government guy. Tea party is interesting, but it seems like it has too many social conservative cranks to breakthrough.