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Go to Prison for File Sharing? That's What Hollywood Wants in the TPP Deal

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Re: Go to Prison for File Sharing? That's What Hollywood Wants in the TPP Deal

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Post by agapos »

acd wrote: post #22

What I do not like about these deals which always have funny acronyms TPP, ACTA, SOPA is that they are done in secrecy. If the one who are drafting these agreements are acting in the publics best interest, why are the deals and drafts drawn up in secret? If you have nothing to hide and have good honest intentions why hide your drafts? That makes me come to the conclusion that the deals they are drafting are not in th…

I for one, am waiting for the Music And Film Industry Act to appear.

Maybe that would finally have the same kickback as the Verizon vs Net Neutrality fight.

Re: Go to Prison for File Sharing? That's What Hollywood Wants in the TPP Deal

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Post by byEngineer »

acd wrote: post #22

What I do not like about these deals which always have funny acronyms TPP, ACTA, SOPA is that they are done in secrecy. If the one who are drafting these agreements are acting in the publics best interest, why are the deals and drafts drawn up in secret? If you have nothing to hide and have good honest intentions why hide your drafts? That makes me come to the conclusion that the deals they are drafting are not in th…

Well, this is just how much they care about democracy. They are anti-freedom and anti-democratic, that's the only conclusion I can think of when seeing their secret agenda.

Re: Go to Prison for File Sharing? That's What Hollywood Wants in the TPP Deal

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Post by fnordfnordfnord »

walterbell wrote: post #39
ekianjo wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the public will know anyway. Yes, but that does not mean the public can actually do something about it (not saying we should not try, though). Political lobbies can be more powerful than citizens, it would not be the first time it happens.

> that does not mean the public can actually do something about it If public businesses and consumers believe they can or cannot do something about it, they are correct (remember SOPA/PIPA? http://www.capitalnewyork.com/article/media/2012/01/5094412/... ). Choosing which something is the important part. Learning about the proposals is a start. Why did most countries drop their opposition to criminalization proposals?…

Given the failure to pass measures SOPA and PIPA, et al; expect new tactics from the proponents. They will keep trying new and old tactics until fatigue sets in on the other side, or they get a lucky break.

Re: Go to Prison for File Sharing? That's What Hollywood Wants in the TPP Deal

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Post by chinathrow »

xnull2guest wrote: post #50
chinathrow wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"In the case of the TPP the US is looking to establish itself, its rules and its influence in the Pacific" There is the issue with that. THERE!!!! Just stay the fuck where you are and do not "establish itself" the world all over. I don't mean that directed at you personally but at your gov.

> I don't mean that directed at you personally but at your gov. I understand. I get it. I'm actually very partial to the idea. It's the unfortunate truth that China is also making big bets to establish itself around the world and to gain influence - for example its heavy investment in Africa or the development of its own (BRICS) world bank. The US is not some lone perpetrator. The world would be better if we could al…

I agree with your view on China and that we just should get along. That would mean though, that certain nations would just need to start to withdraw their troops from the all over the world.

Re: Go to Prison for File Sharing? That's What Hollywood Wants in the TPP Deal

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Post by fnordfnordfnord »

xnull6guest wrote: post #2

Here's the deal with the TPP. It is a critical component of the financial and strategic future of the United States. Put plainly, Asia and the Pacific Region is forecasted by both OECD and the International Monetary Fund to be the primary area of financial growth for the next several decades (while down in the latest report the long term prospects are encouraging). China continues to grow despite recent staggarings;…

>It would be a shame to trade major strategic opportunities for the ability to share ripped DVDs.

1. It's not merely the "ability to share ripped DVDs". It's also the ability to have a little privacy, the ability to watch my DVD's on a player/device of my choosing, and probably a few other things I've forgotten. 1. No it wouldn't be a shame. The US is chock-full of rubes waiting to separated from their money, and as long as we have any money left, no growing economy like the ones in Asia are going to leave so many customers on the table.

>It's a sort of damned if you do damned if you don't scenario.

No, it's a shitty deal that we'd be fools to accept.

Re: Go to Prison for File Sharing? That's What Hollywood Wants in the TPP Deal

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Post by speeder »

fnordfnordfnord wrote: post #65
xnull6guest wrote: post #2

Here's the deal with the TPP. It is a critical component of the financial and strategic future of the United States. Put plainly, Asia and the Pacific Region is forecasted by both OECD and the International Monetary Fund to be the primary area of financial growth for the next several decades (while down in the latest report the long term prospects are encouraging). China continues to grow despite recent staggarings;…

>It would be a shame to trade major strategic opportunities for the ability to share ripped DVDs. 1. It's not merely the "ability to share ripped DVDs". It's also the ability to have a little privacy, the ability to watch my DVD's on a player/device of my choosing, and probably a few other things I've forgotten. 1. No it wouldn't be a shame. The US is chock-full of rubes waiting to separated from their money, and as…

Only me think of how weird it is that US "the land of the free" is a country that loves to trade freedom for money and security?

The only thing that separates US from some "non-free" countries is that in those countries the freedom was traded for internal stability (ie: politicians took freedoms to ensure they can stay in power and steal all that they want, to the population this mean no civil war or revolutions, at least for a while).

Re: Go to Prison for File Sharing? That's What Hollywood Wants in the TPP Deal

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Post by walterbell »

fnordfnordfnord wrote: post #63
walterbell wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> that does not mean the public can actually do something about it If public businesses and consumers believe they can or cannot do something about it, they are correct (remember SOPA/PIPA? http://www.capitalnewyork.com/article/media/2012/01/5094412/... ). Choosing which something is the important part. Learning about the proposals is a start. Why did most countries drop their opposition to criminalization proposals?…

Given the failure to pass measures SOPA and PIPA, et al; expect new tactics from the proponents. They will keep trying new and old tactics until fatigue sets in on the other side, or they get a lucky break.

Hopefully opponents are prepared for any lucky-break attempts to rush TPP/TTIP/CETA through while press and populace are distracted by some future unpredictable crisis.

Re: Go to Prison for File Sharing? That's What Hollywood Wants in the TPP Deal

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Post by jsutton »

empressplay wrote: post #59

The average user can avoid prosecution by setting their torrent client's upload speed to 0. No upload == no share, and besides, the folks 'capturing' IP addresses need to get a "clandestine" packet from you before they can put you on the naughty list (since they can't send _you_ a clandestine packet, for obvious reasons.) Don't need a VPN, just don't upload.

If everyone did this, it would render torrents useless.

Re: Go to Prison for File Sharing? That's What Hollywood Wants in the TPP Deal

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Post by EC1 »

empressplay wrote: post #59

The average user can avoid prosecution by setting their torrent client's upload speed to 0. No upload == no share, and besides, the folks 'capturing' IP addresses need to get a "clandestine" packet from you before they can put you on the naughty list (since they can't send _you_ a clandestine packet, for obvious reasons.) Don't need a VPN, just don't upload.

Last thing we need are more leeches. Just get a VPN and upload a bit, a sort of 'pay it forward'.

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Post by segmondy »

It's ridiculous how much money tech has yet media can push us around. I know media has been in bed with the govt for a longer time, but in DC, money talks and bullshit walks. why can't we bribe errr lobby the hell out of DC on behalf of what's best for society and tech.
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