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Re: The curious pricing of the 27" iMac

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Post by yangyang »

ubernostrum wrote: post #16
vdm wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree, if you're on 10.6 and you value your time, just use Carbon Emacs and stay away from Cocoa Emacs until more than 2 people start committing regularly. It's old but it Just Works. http://git.savannah.gnu.org/gitweb/?p=emacs.git;a=history;f=...

Or run Emacs the way it was meant to be used: in a terminal window. I've been doing that for, oh, about a decade now and haven't seen much cause to switch.

It was probably "meant to be used" (or at least originally written) on a physical terminal rather than a terminal emulator.

Nothing wrong with moving with the times. A graphical emacs session does offer plenty of benefits, not least having less hassle with keybindings, and much greater flexibility with fonts and colours.

Re: The curious pricing of the 27" iMac

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Post by elblanco »

davidmathers wrote: post #60
elblanco wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

$1700 for the next to lowest end offering is too high. Dell doesn't even break $1000 territory until you get to their upper end offerings. For $1700 you could buy two computers and a laptop (or two computers and two netbooks).

Dell doesn't sell a 27-inch 2560 by 1440 LED display. I would pay $1000 for it today if it were for sale. Some people would pay more than me.

I was talking about the computers. $1700 is far too much for a low end system, monitor or no monitor. Those specs (sans display) are available for But to that end the iMac isn't a LED display either, it's LED backlit.

If I could find a $1000 27" 2560x1440 LED or O-LED display I'd be in line in front of you.

Re: The curious pricing of the 27" iMac

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Post by asdfoud »

jfager wrote: post #31
vdm wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree, if you're on 10.6 and you value your time, just use Carbon Emacs and stay away from Cocoa Emacs until more than 2 people start committing regularly. It's old but it Just Works. http://git.savannah.gnu.org/gitweb/?p=emacs.git;a=history;f=...

Cocoa Emacs works great for me, I've never had a problem with it.

Cocoa Emacs has a number of issues with code quality. Feeling lucky?

  (set-foreground-color "rgb:aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa")

Re: The curious pricing of the 27" iMac

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Post by davidmathers »

elblanco wrote: post #62
davidmathers wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dell doesn't sell a 27-inch 2560 by 1440 LED display. I would pay $1000 for it today if it were for sale. Some people would pay more than me.

I was talking about the computers. $1700 is far too much for a low end system, monitor or no monitor. Those specs (sans display) are available for But to that end the iMac isn't a LED display either, it's LED backlit. If I could find a $1000 27" 2560x1440 LED or O-LED display I'd be in line in front of you.

I'm not following you.

  $800 for the display
  $500 for the computer components
  $100 for the aluminum case
  $100 for the wireless keyboard and hi-tech mouse
  $100 for OS X and iLife
  $100 for beautiful industrial design
$1700 sounds like a fine deal to me.

I'm tempted to buy one right now, but I'm forcing myself to wait for the first component refresh that will come in 6 or 8 months. Core 2 Duo is about to go obsolete.

Re: The curious pricing of the 27" iMac

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Post by maukdaddy »

davidmathers wrote: post #12

there’s an entire high-end computer stuck to the back of it Actually, there's an entire discount-parts ($150 cpu, $70 video card) computer stuck to the back of it. If you configure it with high-end parts the price goes up to $2200 and even then you're getting a previous-generation video card (radeon 4850 rather than the new 5850). It's not really so curious. Apple does the "make exclusive deal with a supplier and bea…

To be fair they don't do it to look cool. They do it to make shit loads of money at impressive margins.

edit: By "it" I meant exclusivity deals.

Re: The curious pricing of the 27" iMac

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Post by maukdaddy »

yardie wrote: post #25
ZeroGravitas wrote: post #22

Can you use this as an external monitor? A few folks, including this article, make it sound like you're buying a monitor and getting a computer for "free". But if it's like previous iMacs then you're buying a monitor that can only be used with the "free" computer. If that is the case then that's a good reason for Apple getting a good deal. There's no way for this to cannibalize sales of actual monitors, unless the bu…

Yes, you can. The display port is bi-directional. In a sort of quirky way. Apple has addressed one of the longest lingering questions of the iMac line (and basically all AIO lines). People upgrade the PC but could reuse the display. With an AIO everything had to go.

The one problem, at least environmentally, is that you can't use the display without also having the entire "computer" part running. This means you're consuming XX extra watts the entire time.

Re: The curious pricing of the 27" iMac

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Post by gcb »

eli wrote: post #50
brunoc wrote: post #49

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I flipped both my 4:3 monitors (19") to display vertically. They are 1024x1080. I don't think I'll ever go back to horizontal.

I've been thinking of doing that. Was it a pain to reattach the mount?

what kind of comment is that?

if it's standard vesa, 4 screws.

Re: The curious pricing of the 27" iMac

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Post by gcb »

davidmathers wrote: post #20
vegai wrote: post #5

Perhaps the price of LCDs is about to drop sharply?

The price of IPS displays is dropping because LG has developed a new technology called e-IPS that costs much less to make than s-IPS, which it's replacing. The e-IPS displays still cost more than TN displays I think.

And by LG track record, it also saves tons of money ditching quality control completely.

Re: The curious pricing of the 27" iMac

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Post by elblanco »

davidmathers wrote: post #64
elblanco wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was talking about the computers. $1700 is far too much for a low end system, monitor or no monitor. Those specs (sans display) are available for But to that end the iMac isn't a LED display either, it's LED backlit. If I could find a $1000 27" 2560x1440 LED or O-LED display I'd be in line in front of you.

I'm not following you. $800 for the display $500 for the computer components $100 for the aluminum case $100 for the wireless keyboard and hi-tech mouse $100 for OS X and iLife $100 for beautiful industrial design $1700 sounds like a fine deal to me. I'm tempted to buy one right now, but I'm forcing myself to wait for the first component refresh that will come in 6 or 8 months. Core 2 Duo is about to go obsolete.

Since when is $200 for design figured into the cost equation? And who pays $100 for a wireless keyboard mouse combo?

$20 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16823164...

you are at least $280 off on price.

Re: The curious pricing of the 27" iMac

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Post by [deleted] »

davidmathers wrote: post #64
elblanco wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was talking about the computers. $1700 is far too much for a low end system, monitor or no monitor. Those specs (sans display) are available for But to that end the iMac isn't a LED display either, it's LED backlit. If I could find a $1000 27" 2560x1440 LED or O-LED display I'd be in line in front of you.

I'm not following you. $800 for the display $500 for the computer components $100 for the aluminum case $100 for the wireless keyboard and hi-tech mouse $100 for OS X and iLife $100 for beautiful industrial design $1700 sounds like a fine deal to me. I'm tempted to buy one right now, but I'm forcing myself to wait for the first component refresh that will come in 6 or 8 months. Core 2 Duo is about to go obsolete.

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