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Microsoft Makes Clever Moves

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Re: Microsoft Makes Clever Moves

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Post by blumkvist »

shmerl wrote: post #55
blumkvist wrote: post #42

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It is just how to world operates. You are powerful -> you take measures to keep that power. I don't know what all the fuss is about. It's the most natural thing. Did they take it over the top? Yes. Did the DoJ cut them in half for it? Yes. At this point I think it's hipster boys mindless repeating a mantra they haven't even thought about more than 2 minutes in their lives.

> It is just how to world operates. It's not an excuse for such practices. Or one can use it to excuse any dictator as well. There is no "fuss". Such practices are straight despicable and unacceptable.

It certainly is. What's the alternative? Let the competition sink your company?

Re: Microsoft Makes Clever Moves

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Post by shmerl »

blumkvist wrote: post #61
shmerl wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It is just how to world operates. It's not an excuse for such practices. Or one can use it to excuse any dictator as well. There is no "fuss". Such practices are straight despicable and unacceptable.

It certainly is. What's the alternative? Let the competition sink your company?

Alternative is to compete by making something good like all normal companies instead of being crooks. Normal ethical business as usual, you know. Unethical business practices have no excuse of "what else could we do?". If you couldn't do business ethically - go out of business.

Re: Microsoft Makes Clever Moves

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Post by zensavona »

aidanhs wrote: post #18
damianknz wrote: post #6

I made the switch from an Android Sony to a Lumia 530 this Christmas. Apart from the LCD TN screen the Lumia is easily the best phone I've ever had at half the price.

I too like my Lumia more than any previous phone I've had. Unfortunately there's one key problem which means I won't be getting another one - I have no way of getting an offline copy of my phone backups. I didn't realise for a while after purchase and it's not such an issue to make me immediately want to get a new phone, but I refuse to relinquish that control by choice.

I owned and loved a Lumina for a short period also: my issue was that tethering with OS X simply does not work on WP 8.1 (at least on the Lumina 1320), for this reason I moved back to iOS, but damn that phone was great (battery life, performance and WP 8.1 is a /really/ nice OS). All for about a third of the cost of my iPhone.

Re: Microsoft Makes Clever Moves

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Post by blumkvist »

shmerl wrote: post #62
blumkvist wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It certainly is. What's the alternative? Let the competition sink your company?

Alternative is to compete by making something good like all normal companies instead of being crooks. Normal ethical business as usual, you know. Unethical business practices have no excuse of "what else could we do?". If you couldn't do business ethically - go out of business.

If they don't do it, their competitors will.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Folk_theorem_(game_theory)

Eat or be eaten. I don't know what you mean by ethical. Ethical means a different thing to different people. You can subscribe to your notion if you operate a small business. If you have are in charge of a megacorp - there are other things to take into consideration.

Re: Microsoft Makes Clever Moves

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Post by anjc »

smacktoward wrote: post #57
anjc wrote: post #50

I don't know why people would suggest that Microsoft fork Android. Windows Phone is by far and away the best experience i've had on a phone, and my Lumia 930 is the nicest phone i've used (after coming from a series of iPhones). Don't get me started on the Surface Pro 3, which is probably the most impressive device i've ever had. Microsoft's devices strategy wont be clear until after Windows 10 is launched, I feel, a…

They suggest it because providing the best user experience appears not to matter much, sales-wise. People keep on buying Android and iOS devices no matter how good Windows Phone becomes. In many ways Windows Phone reminds me of the rebooted Palm Inc. webOS provided a far superior user experience to iOS and Android circa 2008-9, but in the end "meh" hardware and limited carrier support weighed them down more than grea…

Yeah I get you with the Palm comparison, but I do think that the top end Lumia's are definitely not 'meh' hardware.

I recently purchased the 930, so I can see a way Microsoft can increase sales immediately, and you hit the nail on the head. Work with the bloody carriers, but at all levels other than distribution. I went to several mobile phone shops and every single one effectively said "don't buy a flagship windows phone mate, have a look at this cheap shitty mess of an android one". Send some bloody reps around, interact with carriers, incentivise them, and sales will immediately go up.

Re: Microsoft Makes Clever Moves

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Post by shmerl »

blumkvist wrote: post #64
shmerl wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Alternative is to compete by making something good like all normal companies instead of being crooks. Normal ethical business as usual, you know. Unethical business practices have no excuse of "what else could we do?". If you couldn't do business ethically - go out of business.

If they don't do it, their competitors will. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Folk_theorem_(game_theory) Eat or be eaten. I don't know what you mean by ethical. Ethical means a different thing to different people. You can subscribe to your notion if you operate a small business. If you have are in charge of a megacorp - there are other things to take into consideration.

That's as well an invalid excuse. Say, can you excuse one criminal for being a criminal because if not, another would be in his stead? No, this logic doesn't work.

Lock in is an example of unethical business practice. And it can't be excused with "if we won't engage in it, someone else will".

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