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Someone stole naked pictures of me. This is what I did about it [video] [NSFW]

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Re: Someone stole naked pictures of me. This is what I did about it [video] [NSFW]

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Post by leaveyou »

tom-lord wrote: post #36
leaveyou wrote: post #10

I made it up to "this were all men" and "this isn't about me, it's about hatred of women" and I remorselessly closed the window as if I stepped into a quarrel that is none of my business. In my universe there is no such thing as "hatred of women" and the psychopathic misogynists are like UFOs. I keep hearing about them but I have never seen any.

I keep hearing about Islamic terrorists, but I haven't seen any. Doesn't mean they don't exist, or aren't causing problems in the world!

It's a small word but makes a big difference: "my". In MY universe. The people I know directly. I don't know directly any misogynistic persons nor do I know terrorists and psychopaths. So the subject is not relevant to me and I don't feel guilty nor responsible about what other people do.

Re: Someone stole naked pictures of me. This is what I did about it [video] [NSFW]

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Post by _yosefk »

z3t4 wrote: post #59

Maybe sexual education should include computer security too. Now when many people have relations over the Internet. Just like you learn to protect yourself with condoms, you should also learn to protect yourself with strong passwords and encryption.

You should learn to protect yourself by keeping it offline.

"Strong passwords and encryption" is hopeless because you have a key logger running on your machine - a reasonable, simple default assumption that can and should be taught instead of encryption that only works in theory (and said theory is much too complicated for most people to have time to wrap their mind around anyway.)

Re: Someone stole naked pictures of me. This is what I did about it [video] [NSFW]

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Post by DanBC »

icantthinkofone wrote: post #24

This isn't a case she should be making at all. This is a hacking issue, not any "hatred of women" or anything else she's trying to make it out to be. She's embarrassed and trying to deflect it onto something else. Hacking, yes. Hatred of women and rape issues, no. I'm also having problems with the video showing the very pictures she was so embarrassed about. There is some sort of disconnect there I don't have time to…

A burglary case is not about property theft but about weak locks and the need for better windows?

Re: Someone stole naked pictures of me. This is what I did about it [video] [NSFW]

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Post by anon4 »

bryanlarsen wrote: post #54
icantthinkofone wrote: post #24

This isn't a case she should be making at all. This is a hacking issue, not any "hatred of women" or anything else she's trying to make it out to be. She's embarrassed and trying to deflect it onto something else. Hacking, yes. Hatred of women and rape issues, no. I'm also having problems with the video showing the very pictures she was so embarrassed about. There is some sort of disconnect there I don't have time to…

This has very little to do with hacking. Sure there was a hack, but I get the impression she could have dealt with that if it would have ended there. The results would have been the same if it would have been the more stereotypical "revenge porn". What got to her were the thousands of men who continued to download, share and comment on the pictures.

Anonymous people on the internet would call you a faggot cocksucker for much less than asking to have your picture removed from a site. There's no civil communicating with some people and trying to will just hurt you.

The sites distributing her photos should be liable for damages under the DMCA though.

Re: Someone stole naked pictures of me. This is what I did about it [video] [NSFW]

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Post by sago »

blencdr wrote: post #28
sago wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nice victim blaming there. So she was too dumb, and she got what was coming? Or even worse, with the "if you don't want people to look at them" hint, perhaps she wanted this. Maybe deep down. Subconsciously or something. That's a particularly classy form of victim blaming that. Doubly so since you created an account on HN specifically to post it.

Nonetheless not putting nude picture of you on the internet is a good advice anyway !

It's right up there in quality of advice with "don't dress sexily if you don't want to be raped."

Or, as the bible puts it "Women should be modest in their appearance. They should wear decent and appropriate clothing and not draw attention to themselves"|

Re: Someone stole naked pictures of me. This is what I did about it [video] [NSFW]

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Post by anon4 »

throwmeunder wrote: post #29

First having your naked pictures out in the internet against your consent is an awful thing that shouldn't happen to anyone. Having your information out in the public eye and emails like the ones she received is terrifying and the more severe problem here. That being sad I disagree with the whole subtext of the story: that these people get off on the idea of a non consenting victim. quotes from http://www.hystericalf…

I think her video is supposed to be more a psychological coping mechanism for herself and other victims, not a solution to the original problem. And it might actually be more important - you need to be mentally stable first and then you can do something about it.

Re: Someone stole naked pictures of me. This is what I did about it [video] [NSFW]

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Post by Morgawr »

_yosefk wrote: post #62
z3t4 wrote: post #59

Maybe sexual education should include computer security too. Now when many people have relations over the Internet. Just like you learn to protect yourself with condoms, you should also learn to protect yourself with strong passwords and encryption.

You should learn to protect yourself by keeping it offline. "Strong passwords and encryption" is hopeless because you have a key logger running on your machine - a reasonable, simple default assumption that can and should be taught instead of encryption that only works in theory (and said theory is much too complicated for most people to have time to wrap their mind around anyway.)

>You should learn to protect yourself by keeping it offline.

Those are two entirely different issues though. Just because your house requires keys to enter, it doesn't mean that you shouldn't have a house because somebody might break into it.

Educating people about security of their data is as important as educating them about the ethics and risks of sharing your data, they are not contradictory.

Re: Someone stole naked pictures of me. This is what I did about it [video] [NSFW]

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Post by DanBC »

mercurial wrote: post #53
fnef wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Considering that it appears to disproportionally target women That's a pretty big [citation needed]. All I see is that misogyny is a disproportionally popular news item, which is not at all the same thing. And if it's just an expression of people's mental disorders, that's not hate, and it's not productive to fixing the issue to call it hate when it's not.

> That's a pretty big [citation needed]. All I see is that misogyny is a disproportionally popular news item, which is not at all the same thing. I have to admit I don't have hard numbers to back my claims, but I think it would be common knowledge if men were routinely called "sluts" and threatened with rape by trolls. > And if it's just an expression of people's mental disorders, that's not hate, and it's not produc…

Men are routinely the subject of death threats and similar style trolling. Men who die have their rememberance pages trolled. Young men are entrapped by criminal gangs into sending them nude photographs, which are then used to blackmail those young men.

Sexual violence online appears to be mostly aimed at women, and mostly from men. But it's not hard to find examples of men receiving those threats or women making threats of sexual violence. This is especially true for non-hetero-normative men.

It's a hard problem. Well funded companies full of smart people have tackled it and failed (youtube comments).

Just for clarity: the experience of women online is likely to be pretty miserable. Many people, of both sexes, experience hatred.

PS: I hate it when people ascribe bigoted opinions to mental illness. That excuses the behaviour whilst also stigmatising mental illhealth. Arseholes are arseholes because they're arseholes, not because they have a mental illness that causes them to be an arsehole.

Re: Someone stole naked pictures of me. This is what I did about it [video] [NSFW]

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Post by sago »

fnef wrote: post #19
Squarel wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"There is no hatred of women" is like saying "There is no hatred of [insert other group here]" If you want to find them, look for the individuals who repeatedly post derogatory comments and hateful comments under any post made by a female.

I challenge the notion that online trolls are genuinely hateful, almost regardless of their target. They're just sadists who find pleasure in other's suffering. I think it's horrible and these people deserve rehabilitative punishment by law, but it's silly to label it as hate, or, when the target happens to be female, misogyny.

Ah, the "obviously the most important discussion to have about this is what the exact meanings of words are" derailment tactic. Honestly you could play mansplaining bingo in here.

Re: Someone stole naked pictures of me. This is what I did about it [video] [NSFW]

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Post by throwmeunder »

anon4 wrote: post #66
throwmeunder wrote: post #29

First having your naked pictures out in the internet against your consent is an awful thing that shouldn't happen to anyone. Having your information out in the public eye and emails like the ones she received is terrifying and the more severe problem here. That being sad I disagree with the whole subtext of the story: that these people get off on the idea of a non consenting victim. quotes from http://www.hystericalf…

I think her video is supposed to be more a psychological coping mechanism for herself and other victims, not a solution to the original problem. And it might actually be more important - you need to be mentally stable first and then you can do something about it.

I agree with you. But she's saying things which are, in my opinion, untrue.

It's easy to say "good job, you're stronger than that" and it is helpful. For everyone else that is not in a better mental state there should be an objective discussion from a wider viewpoint.

Anyway, the submission has been flagkilled so I guess HN is not the place for such a discussion.

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