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Why We Still Believe in Private Offices

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Re: Why We Still Believe in Private Offices

#61
post #40

It bums me out some to see the standard-bearer for private offices in our profession showing us floor-to-ceiling glass walls in a panopticon arc, "not as creepy as you think"[1]. The Overton window's shifted so far to the cage-free side that privacy isn't even in our frame? OK, a few companies still believe in offices with walls. I don't doubt that it's a fine place to work, likely nicer than the cubicles I've worked…

I wonder if you can turn around and face the glass walls when sitting, or if you have to have them to your back. If it's the latter, there's zero privacy advantage in this case to having a private office.

That is exactly how I have my desk setup. Monitors Facing the wall. Me facing the door. The office feels a bit smaller, but I'd rather not have my back/side to the door.

Re: Why We Still Believe in Private Offices

#62
post #53
post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Correct. That's the sales bullpen.

I want (and have) a private office. Why doesn't the argument extend to them as well? Also: using the URL in the article, I couldn't find the developer offices. Are they down the stairs? Google Maps didn't let me navigate down them.

Yeah, those hexagonal offices are on the next floor down.

Re: Why We Still Believe in Private Offices

#63
(note: none of the following has anything to do with office layout)

"Joel’s management philosophy is deceptively simple: hire smart people who get things done, and get the hell out of their way. The role of management is to give the people who actually do the work — the developers, designers, sysadmins, etc. — all the tools they need to get their jobs done, and then trust them to do the job!"

Let's say you work directly with about 15 people. The majority of those people are remote, with some local. The manager hangs back in meetings and listens for problems, and hurriedly works to resolve roadblocks for their direct reports. They also chime in occasionally if people need a reminder of a pressing high priority item or objective.

Now let's say those 15 people all come from different places and all have different ways of 'getting things done'. One person builds a unicycle in order to achieve the goal of 'transporting A to B'. Another person builds a bicycle. Yet another attempts to build a space shuttle.

If you're really really lucky, all of these different inventions and methods will simply mesh, and there will be no friction within the team, and things just churn on forever.

If you're dealing with smart, experienced people, there may be a lot of back-and-forth discussion while people try to figure out which kind of solution is the best.

If you're dealing with egocentric 'rock stars', absolutely nothing gets done unless someone basically bullies someone else into caving on their method.

Even if nobody actually ever voices a problem with the way someone else works, it is in a manager's interest to be invested in the past, present and future of the work produced. Legacy systems need to keep working, current designs need to be in-line with best practice, and planned work needs to be future-proof and maintainable. How do they do that by staying hands-off?

Where do I think Joel's management philosophy leaves you? If you're lucky, with product that mirrors the quality of your employees combined with their ability to form a single cohesive unit where everyone's work complements each other. If you're not lucky, you get arguments, delays, and code that doesn't support the goals of the project or the group.

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On a completely unrelated note: Jesus would I love to have a full kitchen in my office. I would be inspired to try to cook creative dishes and share with my coworkers. And i'd spend more time in the office.

Re: Why We Still Believe in Private Offices

#64
post #28

Am I the only one that considers lunch to be a sacred, personal time that I don't want to spend on small talk with coworkers? I need my lunch break to recover from the day's stress and pace, so I can come back refreshed and ready to code for 4-5 more hours. As an introvert, I find the team lunches to be waay more stressful than actual work, and that eliminates any benefits of a nicely cooked meal. If I end up in a te…

> ... to code for 4-5 more hours

Are you really doing this? My personal record ( when I was a full time employee ) was 4 hours of summed coding time ( I track my time with RescueTime [1] ).

I was usually finding myself to code ( commit actual features and finding cause of bugs ) 2 hours before noon and 2 hours after lunch.

The other time I was usually in meetings / discussing issues / planning / writing documentation / improving dev environment / e-mail / communication with team.

[1] http://www.rescuetime.com

Re: Why We Still Believe in Private Offices

#65

It bums me out some to see the standard-bearer for private offices in our profession showing us floor-to-ceiling glass walls in a panopticon arc, "not as creepy as you think"[1]. The Overton window's shifted so far to the cage-free side that privacy isn't even in our frame? OK, a few companies still believe in offices with walls. I don't doubt that it's a fine place to work, likely nicer than the cubicles I've worked…

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Re: Why We Still Believe in Private Offices

#66
post #28

Am I the only one that considers lunch to be a sacred, personal time that I don't want to spend on small talk with coworkers? I need my lunch break to recover from the day's stress and pace, so I can come back refreshed and ready to code for 4-5 more hours. As an introvert, I find the team lunches to be waay more stressful than actual work, and that eliminates any benefits of a nicely cooked meal. If I end up in a te…

No, you're not alone. For lunch I drive to the park, eat my sandwich while listening to NPR, then get out and go for a solitary walk in nature. It's a lot more refreshing than sitting and talking with the same co-workers I share the rest of the day with.

Re: Why We Still Believe in Private Offices

#67
post #28

Am I the only one that considers lunch to be a sacred, personal time that I don't want to spend on small talk with coworkers? I need my lunch break to recover from the day's stress and pace, so I can come back refreshed and ready to code for 4-5 more hours. As an introvert, I find the team lunches to be waay more stressful than actual work, and that eliminates any benefits of a nicely cooked meal. If I end up in a te…

I've spent almost all of the preceding workweek partying and spending time with coworkers who are remote but currently in town. I feel like an empty shell of a human.

Re: Why We Still Believe in Private Offices

#68

One thing I don't understand -- in this time of laptops, tablets and ubiquitous internet access (whether in-office wi-fi or the mobile broadband), why do we still have this discussion? Are there any companies out there who have a heterogeneous office layout, with open-space areas, single-person rooms and anything in between which could then be used by anyone to their own preference? I would like to see a setup where…

Just attended a hackathon (hosted at Socrata). The ad hoc organizing felt good, natural. Wish my day job was more like that.

Re: Why We Still Believe in Private Offices

#69
It'd be nice if in an ideal setting there was a balance of both open and closed perspectives. I guess I consider myself an introverted extrovert. While I enjoy being around others and having physical interaction when the situation precludes the necessity open is great. But I think as others have said what the powers at be fail to realize is that in order to be productive SE's we need longer, uninterrupted fragments of time throughout the day for deep, intense, unadulterated focus...when this doesn't happen. Things go to Hell in a hand basket rather quickly. More problematic for me than physical space restriction was the timetable restriction that too many meetings and other time sucks can have. Non-code pushers fail to understand that that question they asked about in the 8 a.m. stand up hasn't been solved or even thought about b/c we can't get a waking 2+ hours of fluid thought. Having worked in pretty much every type of space I still can't say which I really prefer/which makes me most productive!

Re: Why We Still Believe in Private Offices

#70
post #47
post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I believe it's a page from Build a Better Life by Stealing Office Supplies , not an actual strip.

I'm quite certain there was--if not a full strip--at least an illustration involving the the CEO... Not the now-staple pointy-haired manager, but the heavily-jowled guy who's been supplanted by the bullet-headed CEO in recent years. Each time, a diagram is behind him, either of a hub-and-spoke diagram or a spread-out cloud of nodes.

I remember exactly the illustrations you're talking about. They were on a left-hand page of the book.

Build a Better Life is composed mostly of pages divided into quadrants, in which Dogbert introduces the page's theme in the upper left and the next three sections illustrate it.

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