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Re: Swedish Police Raid the Pirate Bay, Site Offline

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Post by Cthulhu_ »

mrkickling wrote: post #32

The organisation that reported Thepiratebay and therefore is the reason for this raid is called Rättighetsalliansen (The Alliance of Rights). The Alliance of Rights is the same organisation as The Anti Pirate Bureau but with a new name. This is what they say on their website (roughly translated): "The police raided The Pirate Bay today inside an Internet company in the Stockholm region. Rättighetsalliansen is behind…

The court ruling in NL (which lead to a (temporary) forced block from ISP's of the website) was that despite them technically not hosting anything illegal, they are definitely an, let's call it, "accessory to piracy", a middle man so to speak. You know, like how Silk Road was just a middle man for drug deals - the website itself didn't host any drugs. Not that that's technically possible (yet), but you get the idea.

Re: Swedish Police Raid the Pirate Bay, Site Offline

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Post by gcb0 »

draugadrotten wrote: post #47
mrkickling wrote: post #32

The organisation that reported Thepiratebay and therefore is the reason for this raid is called Rättighetsalliansen (The Alliance of Rights). The Alliance of Rights is the same organisation as The Anti Pirate Bureau but with a new name. This is what they say on their website (roughly translated): "The police raided The Pirate Bay today inside an Internet company in the Stockholm region. Rättighetsalliansen is behind…

It's a common mistake by techies to think that technical details make a difference in (Swedish) court. They don't. Technical details are rarely important in Swedish court, where the court is free to consider all evidence, even if it's obtained illegally or just is weird. So called "technical evidence" is rarely "technical" for techies. It's often just HTTP logfile print-outs or a screen shot of a file sharing program…

now explain how that is different from anywhere in the world...

Re: Swedish Police Raid the Pirate Bay, Site Offline

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Post by wuliwong »

draugadrotten wrote: post #47
mrkickling wrote: post #32

The organisation that reported Thepiratebay and therefore is the reason for this raid is called Rättighetsalliansen (The Alliance of Rights). The Alliance of Rights is the same organisation as The Anti Pirate Bureau but with a new name. This is what they say on their website (roughly translated): "The police raided The Pirate Bay today inside an Internet company in the Stockholm region. Rättighetsalliansen is behind…

It's a common mistake by techies to think that technical details make a difference in (Swedish) court. They don't. Technical details are rarely important in Swedish court, where the court is free to consider all evidence, even if it's obtained illegally or just is weird. So called "technical evidence" is rarely "technical" for techies. It's often just HTTP logfile print-outs or a screen shot of a file sharing program…

I seriously doubt that all judges in Sweden do not know the difference between Excel and Word. I know you are trying to make a point but you are doing it poorly.

Re: Swedish Police Raid the Pirate Bay, Site Offline

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Post by gcb0 »

throwvpn wrote: post #43

I noticed weird behavior on multiple VPNs lately (those that should protect torrent users using OpenVPN) as the IPs given by VPN provider upon connecting were suddenly located in the US (Massachusetts) instead of Sweden, Finland etc. where you intended to connect. Always check the location of the IP address you get to be sure you aren't MitM-ed...

vpn for anonymity? are you making a joke that i didn't understood?

Re: Swedish Police Raid the Pirate Bay, Site Offline

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Post by murbard2 »

runn1ng wrote: post #59
murbard2 wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, then just have trusted third parties (such as TPB) sign the torrents. It would be pretty hard to shutdown someone signing hashes from an unknown location.

In a fully decentralized environment, you would need to somehow know who to trust and make some karma/feedback in a decentralized way. Given that PGP's web of trust never really caught on, I am not sure if this would work. But maybe it would and I am just too pesimistic.

Decentralization is a tool, not a goal. TBP, and some verified uploaders managed to gain a good reputation and they didn't abuse it, did they?

Re: Swedish Police Raid the Pirate Bay, Site Offline

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Post by minthd »

murbard2 wrote: post #53
runn1ng wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fully decentralized P2P networks are probably older than bittorrent (Gnutella, eMule, and their similar clones). The fact is people don't want 100% decentralized P2P network; people want the fakes and the viruses removed and so on.

Sure, then just have trusted third parties (such as TPB) sign the torrents. It would be pretty hard to shutdown someone signing hashes from an unknown location.

The pirate bay has a comment system, and an option to verify torrents are uploaded by someone. It's possible to implement those in a p2p way, but than it comes close to the improved systems on silk road with reputation ,etc - so maybe they prefer not to go there.

Re: Swedish Police Raid the Pirate Bay, Site Offline

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Post by pavel_lishin »

tlrobinson wrote: post #45
drpfenderson wrote: post #16

So....what happened to the "raid-proof" server array they were talking about in September? ( https://torrentfreak.com/the-pirate-bay-runs-on-21-raid-proo... )

I'm imagining a Daemon (as in the Daniel Suarez book) like system that gets paid by web advertising companies in Bitcoin, and automatically spawns it's servers on cloud providers who accept payment in Bitcoin. One or more hot backups on a single VM would silently wait for the live system to go down, then respawn itself and switch over the DNS. Namecoin could be used in place of, or augmenting, traditional domain name…

You might be interested in Charles Stross's "Accelerando", where he posits a similar system of python scripts acting as decentralized companies, constantly shuffling ownership of themselves among themselves.

It's been too long since I've read it, so I forget what the actual point was.

Re: Swedish Police Raid the Pirate Bay, Site Offline

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Post by Moru »

draugadrotten wrote: post #47
mrkickling wrote: post #32

The organisation that reported Thepiratebay and therefore is the reason for this raid is called Rättighetsalliansen (The Alliance of Rights). The Alliance of Rights is the same organisation as The Anti Pirate Bureau but with a new name. This is what they say on their website (roughly translated): "The police raided The Pirate Bay today inside an Internet company in the Stockholm region. Rättighetsalliansen is behind…

It's a common mistake by techies to think that technical details make a difference in (Swedish) court. They don't. Technical details are rarely important in Swedish court, where the court is free to consider all evidence, even if it's obtained illegally or just is weird. So called "technical evidence" is rarely "technical" for techies. It's often just HTTP logfile print-outs or a screen shot of a file sharing program…

Seriously, why is people pirating that crap? Throw out the TV and stop going into that what is just a bad copy of every other movie out there already. The same goes with games. They just get more and more shallow as the grafics get pumped up. Every shared movie/game is another proof for the producers that they are creating something that people wants. If people finally would vote with their wallet instead of going for the latest crap all the time, mabe we would have quality games and movies?

Re: Swedish Police Raid the Pirate Bay, Site Offline

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Post by Jhsto »

Raphael wrote: post #40
happyscrappy wrote: post #6

I thought file sharing was recognized as a religion in Sweden.

I'm not familiar with Swedish law, but assuming it's similar to the USA, then it would be pertinent to know if The Pirate Bay is registered as a church or as a company.

The religion was not found by TPB, but rather its users.

Re: Swedish Police Raid the Pirate Bay, Site Offline

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Post by apetresc »

runn1ng wrote: post #39

The last uploaded torrent, from what can I tell (from what Google indexed) http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:v346Sjm... State.of.Affairs.S01E04.720p.HDTV.X264-DIMENSION magnet link: magnet:?xt=urn:btih:9d12bfa80f937b7fbed3601ebda9d725d483a2de&dn=State.of.Affairs.S01E04.720p.HDTV.X264-DIMENSION&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.openbittorrent.com%3A80&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.publicbt.com%3A80&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftra…

I'm sure TPB gets torrents added faster than Google caches.
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