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Re: Node.js, a popular tool for building modern internet services, has split in two

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Post by pearjuice »

Kiro wrote: post #30
Dobbs wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can only speak from the perspective of my company. We had quite a few pro-node people. They wrote services in node. All of those node services have since been rewritten in Go by the formerly-pro-node people. Go has been much more manageable and powerful.

What kind of services are they?

Hello World, a todo list and a blog application. After that we put "proficient experience with node.js" on all of our developers their CVs. Our company website now lists that we have "enterprise grade expertise with Node.JS" and I haven't even talked about the nodejs-rebranding of our social media dootprint (exclusively liking, following and interacting with nodejs content). We are basically swimming in nodejs client work now. So much, that we are considering splitting the company and having an exclusive branche for the nodejs playfield.

Re: Node.js, a popular tool for building modern internet services, has split in two

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Post by TheRealWatson »

Thaxll wrote: post #5
egeozcan wrote: post #4

> Future of Popular Coding Tool in Doubt After It Splits in Two Are there convincing number of examples of very popular projects being forked and both ends being discontinued, or is this just a typical example of spreading FUD? Forking is a natural process in the open-source world.

But it's true that Node is losing traction.

Keep in mind that opinions on HN often do not reflect the situation in the general programming community. I think what we are seeing is a particular developer demographic performing their periodic migration. I'm referring to the group of developers that simply follow the heat possibly caused by some sort of anxiety or fear of being left behind. They did some Java, jumped to Ruby then Node and now Go.

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Post by mbesto »

artursapek wrote: post #49
bhouston wrote: post #8

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Node is losing traction where? I see it as being very strong, but it isn't the shiny new thing any more -- which means that it is beyond the first few stages of the hype cycle. It has very strong growth in Google trends: http://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=node.js

I think Google trends is a very laggy indicator of something like this.

No, but this is:

http://www.indeed.com/jobanalytics/jobtrends?q=ruby+on+rails...

Re: Node.js, a popular tool for building modern internet services, has split in two

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Post by peapicker »

AustinG08 wrote: post #12
dudus wrote: post #6

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I can think of MySQL. While I wouldn't call it dead by any measure it certainly suffered when the spit happened.

Since i'm a newbie and I couldn't find anything with a simple search, could you elaborate on that particular MySQL situation?

Personally, I always though that the community over-reacted big time. After all, the core DB engine most people were using for MySQL for years (InnoDB) had been owned by Oracle for years before that.

MariaDB has done some decent stuff, tho.

Re: Node.js, a popular tool for building modern internet services, has split in two

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Post by justplay » 

    >Node was created by software developer Ryan Dahl 
    as a way of building and running entire online applications
    with JavaScript—the standard programming language for writing 
    code that runs in your browser.
Really? I thought that they intentionally choose javascript because it doesn't have any features like threading.

   > The massively popular programming framework Ruby on Rails, 
   for instance, is still sponsored by its creator, a company called Basecamp.
Basecamp isn't happy to the direction that ruby on rails is going, but they accept it. [1]

[1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBfVxBj61z0&feature=youtu.be...

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Post by [deleted] »

kibwen wrote: post #24
zkhalique wrote: post #15

I think the intersection of politics and internet is interesting. I write about it quite a bit on my blog, as well as here: http://qbix.com/blog/index.php/2013/04/a-new-kind-of-platfor... In this case, we see sort of an "arab spring" of open source projects lately. Consider MySQL after it was bought by Oracle, and then the MariaDB fork was born. Now we have Node.js and Docker being forked. Until now, most successful…

Rocket actually isn't a fork of Docker. From https://coreos.com/blog/rocket/ : > Why not just fork Docker? > From a security and composability perspective, the > Docker process model - where everything runs through a > central daemon - is fundamentally flawed. To “fix” > Docker would essentially mean a rewrite of the project, > while inheriting all the baggage of the existing > implementation.

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Re: Node.js, a popular tool for building modern internet services, has split in two

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Post by benihana »

oddevan wrote: post #48
buckbova wrote: post #38

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Yeah, talk about an over the top reaction. I'd probably reject this too from a do-gooder searching github for pronouns to change. "Get another hobby. Rejected."

Out of curiosity, what's the harm in accepting the pull request after someone's already done the work ? Edit: I get not wanting unsolicited input from "do-gooders," but if someone on the project made such a change, would you still reject it?

I think it's less harm and more about principle. Nodejs is presumably maintained by hardworking people who devote their time to making it as good as they can. Presumably there's a bug tracker and they'd love contributions, and presumably this issue wasn't on their tracker (otherwise it would have been accepted outright without any issue).

I can understand the frustration of someone coming into a project and saying "I've made this change that no one on this project asked for cause the words used were offending me." It seems disrespectful to the hard work everyone is doing to keep the project up and running.

I think people would be a lot more open to things like this if there was some proof that removing gendered pronouns actually did something. It's claimed to make open source less hostile for women. Is there any proof that it's working?

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