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Re: Wire – Modern Communications Network

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Post by mattlutze »

notthetup wrote: post #20
warcode wrote: post #2

"Skype-killers" without end-to-end encryption are useless.

If they're based on WebRTC then I believe end-to-end encryption is baked into the standard. Whether they use the standard completely is another question.

Articles (http://www.theverge.com/2014/12/3/7325083/wire-chat-service-...) suggest "end to end encryption for voice calls" and encryption to and from their servers for text, but I haven't seen anything about it being WebRTC (unless I missed that on the product's web site).

I'm not sure that them having my messages unencrypted on their servers makes that feature any more desirable than Skype, WhatsApp and the like. Encrypted voice call is good, but in the case they don't say how they do that encryption, it'll remain less-than-trustworthy.

Re: Wire – Modern Communications Network

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Post by emsy »

rakoo wrote: post #38
MildlySerious wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's what Tox is aiming for. http://tox.im/

That's what XMPP is already doing.

I usually dislike introducing yet another standard, but Tox has some features that XMPP won't provide. VoIP support out of the box, without the need for an extension that may not be supported by the client. Also, afaik it's truly decentralized, without the need for a server for the actual communication.

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Post by blueskin_ »

sspiff wrote: post #18
NullReference wrote: post #4

"What we need is another messaging app" said nobody, ever. It looks pretty, but this is yet another app in the long list of "Skype killers" or "Voice/video/text" messaging. It seems like it's the default goto for anyone that can't think of something more interesting these days.

Exactly. Right now, I have installed on my phone: * Standard text messaging app, for almost everyone. * Google Hangouts, which is a pain to remove and always logs in behind my back. I don't want to chat on my phone, it's just a nuisance. (I wish people would stop talking to me through Hangouts, honestly) * Viber, with a single contact. * LINE, with a single contact. I don't have WhatsApp or Snapchat or whatever, but…

I have on my phone:

Standard text messaging

ConnectBot (to an irssi session for IRC)

The answer is just to say no when people ask you install $appoftheday to contact them. No hangouts, no skype, no whatsapp, no facebook polluting my phone with their intrusiveness and always-on-in-background tendencies. One person occasionally asks me to install Whatsapp, but each time I say no.

Hangouts is a pain to remove if it came in your ROM, but you can still freeze it with Titanium Backup.

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Post by jhasse »

furyg3 wrote: post #23
bugsbunny123 wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Telegram isn't secure? Source please.

It's the other way around. Messaging apps need to demonstrate their own security by releasing the source code. So far only TextSecure does this.

Telegram's client code is also open source.

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Post by Omniusaspirer »

beaner wrote: post #10
warcode wrote: post #2

"Skype-killers" without end-to-end encryption are useless.

This is really all I want as well. There's tons of pretty messaging apps. Style isn't enough to sway me anymore - I want privacy. How hard is it to make a messaging app that makes encryption its #1 priority?

I've been following Tox with some interest. It's fairly new but fully open source, decentralized, end-to-end encryption, no account needed (people added via their unique bytestring).

https://tox.im/

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Post by andor »

sspiff wrote: post #18
NullReference wrote: post #4

"What we need is another messaging app" said nobody, ever. It looks pretty, but this is yet another app in the long list of "Skype killers" or "Voice/video/text" messaging. It seems like it's the default goto for anyone that can't think of something more interesting these days.

Exactly. Right now, I have installed on my phone: * Standard text messaging app, for almost everyone. * Google Hangouts, which is a pain to remove and always logs in behind my back. I don't want to chat on my phone, it's just a nuisance. (I wish people would stop talking to me through Hangouts, honestly) * Viber, with a single contact. * LINE, with a single contact. I don't have WhatsApp or Snapchat or whatever, but…

You can easily disable Hangouts: go to Settings - Apps - Hangouts and tap the button. It won't even show up in your launcher anymore.

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Post by allan_ »

ekianjo wrote: post #51
sspiff wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly. Right now, I have installed on my phone: * Standard text messaging app, for almost everyone. * Google Hangouts, which is a pain to remove and always logs in behind my back. I don't want to chat on my phone, it's just a nuisance. (I wish people would stop talking to me through Hangouts, honestly) * Viber, with a single contact. * LINE, with a single contact. I don't have WhatsApp or Snapchat or whatever, but…

Yeah, totally agree, but looks that users always like to see the wheel being reinvented. It's kind of depressing, why fix what's not broken ?

I don't think users really want the wheel to be reinvented. More like companies try to lock you in on their tech and make money with you. Fragmentation? CEO gives a shit.
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