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Re: HTML6 Concept

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What's wrong with namespaces in your opinion?

Who the heck wants to type <html: before every single command? Waste of programmer's time, hard drive storage and bandwidth.

You don't have to. You can give a value for the root namespace instead.

Namespaces are needed for embedding things like SVG, MathML, etc. in HTML or XML documents.

Re: HTML6 Concept

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Some good ideas here but some terrible ones as well. First, is terrible. We don't need namespaces in HTML (or in XML for that matter, but that's a different story). would be sufficient. Even better, something like this: I do like the idea of not having generic 's everywhere. You can already do this with, for example, Angular. Basically, aside from the pre-defined elements (div, span, input, etc.) I want to just use w…

> We don't need namespaces in HTML (or in XML for that matter, but that's a different story).

Bzzt, wrong. How would you propose we allow other document types to be embedded in HTML (like SVG)? Just hope the tag names never collide?

Re: HTML6 Concept

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post #53

Some good ideas here but some terrible ones as well. First, is terrible. We don't need namespaces in HTML (or in XML for that matter, but that's a different story). would be sufficient. Even better, something like this: I do like the idea of not having generic 's everywhere. You can already do this with, for example, Angular. Basically, aside from the pre-defined elements (div, span, input, etc.) I want to just use w…

You just gave the exact definition of web components! https://www.polymer-project.org/platform/custom-elements.htm...

Came here to drop a link to web components ;) imho, empowering devs to define elements & their behavior is better than defining a standard set of elements & their behavior.

Re: HTML6 Concept

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Isn't html5 supposed to be a living standard [1], meaning continuous updates and no html:next spec? [1] https://wiki.whatwg.org/wiki/FAQ#What_does_.22Living_Standar...

You have to differentiate between the WHATWG and the W3C, which have different goals/purposes and different HTML specs.

As the link you referenced states, the WHATWG's non-versioned living standard attempts to stay "a little ahead of the implementations" with the goal of (hopefully) guiding implementors toward common goals.

The W3C periodically looks at already-implemented features and creates versioned snapshots (like HTML5, HTML5.1, etc.) with the goal of providing developers with a stable, known set of features for development.

Different purposes, different specs, both useful.

Re: HTML6 Concept

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> I think the title (and domain name) are a bit misleading: that's not HTML6, because it doesn't appear to be endorsed by anything related to the web standards (Mozilla, W3C, etc). That's MyHTML, sure, but not really HTML6. HTML5 was exactly that; just a bunch of implementors (WhatWG) until the W3C eventually endorsed it.

Except WHATWG is made of many of the same members as the W3C.

WHATWG is made of a very small subset of the members of W3C. The vast majority of W3C members are not part of WHATWG.

Re: HTML6 Concept

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A concept always invites picky comments, but one can be subtle about it. I agree on few tags, like , , .

but I feel there is still more that is needed. Specially with regards to and tags. Have you come across how tricky it can be to style both? Both of these require more simple styling and controls. Also, I would very much welcome some sort of basic encryption for data submitted by tags, given that many don't need SSL certificate level of security, but being totally naked is not okay as well.

Re: HTML6 Concept

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I hate to shit on people's work[1] on HN because everyone else does it but I earnestly think this will get filed in the same bin as XHTML, aka "no web developer actually cares about this so no one will write it and it will die an awkward, forgotten death." HTML5 did some very important things. Mainly it wrestled back the web from plugins. Hey, remember Flash? Isn't that great! That in 2014 I can say "Remember Flash?"…

HTML5 may have enabled some of that, but I think the thing that actually "wrestled the web back from plugins" is the iPhone, or more generally, the smartphone. Popular devices that people wanted to target, without support for plugins (sure, Android had Flash for a while, as a second-class citizen, but it never had support for arbitrary plug-ins).

Re: HTML6 Concept

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Namespaces in XML was the biggest mistake in XML.

Care to elaborate? Pretty much every programming language has the concept of "packages", "prefixes", or "namespaces" to logically group components, functions, etc. together. It's only natural to have the same thing in a document format that can contain heterogeneous document types...
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