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W3C declares HTML5 standard complete

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Re: W3C declares HTML5 standard complete

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Post by domenicd »

valisystem wrote: post #26
j4meserljoness wrote: post #15

Cool, but It doesn't really matter what W3C says. In the end it is all about what the Oligarchy of popular browser implementers decide to implement.

> the Oligarchy of popular browser implementers In the past, only Mozilla cared about what the W3C said, and they built Firefox on the idea that interoperability by following the standards is the way to go. Not that long after Apple initiated Safari, and led Google to their own browser initiative. All this because Mozilla, the insignificant actor of the all IE time, decided to follow W3C. You're not totally wrong tel…

This is pretty much the opposite of how things went down.

If browsers followed the W3C, we'd be living in XML utopia (XHTML2, XForms, XLink, XEvents, etc.). In 2004 a group of implementers (specifically Mozilla, Opera, and Apple) proposed to the W3C to focus on web applications by evolving HTML and the DOM, but were flat-out turned down, and had to go off and form their own standards organization---the WHATWG. Today, that is where much of the foundational work of the web platform is still done: https://spec.whatwg.org/

Re: W3C declares HTML5 standard complete

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Post by pjmlp »

domenicd wrote: post #61
valisystem wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the Oligarchy of popular browser implementers In the past, only Mozilla cared about what the W3C said, and they built Firefox on the idea that interoperability by following the standards is the way to go. Not that long after Apple initiated Safari, and led Google to their own browser initiative. All this because Mozilla, the insignificant actor of the all IE time, decided to follow W3C. You're not totally wrong tel…

This is pretty much the opposite of how things went down. If browsers followed the W3C, we'd be living in XML utopia (XHTML2, XForms, XLink, XEvents, etc.). In 2004 a group of implementers (specifically Mozilla, Opera, and Apple) proposed to the W3C to focus on web applications by evolving HTML and the DOM, but were flat-out turned down, and had to go off and form their own standards organization---the WHATWG. Today,…

And we could have goten something similar to XAML, instead of the HTML, CSS magic and JavaScript workarounds to replicate desktop behavious and UIs.

Re: W3C declares HTML5 standard complete

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Post by scriptproof »

rimantas wrote: post #24
jaredmcateer wrote: post #8

Does anyone know how is Doctype versioning going to work with W3Cs snapshoting of the living standard? Or are browsers just going to ignore W3C and stick to implementing WHATWGs spec?

No browser ever paid any attention to the version of the HTML specified. The only use for DOCTYPE—and the reason it remains in HTML5—is "doctype switching", i.e. different rendering modes are triggered in the browsers. You can use "html", "html5", "html6.2" or "foobarbaz" as your doctype, the effect will be the same—they will all trigger standards compliant mode.

Maybe but if you use real DOCTYPE such as " rel="nofollow">http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd"> then you will see huge difference in rendering.

Re: W3C declares HTML5 standard complete

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Post by coldtea »

greyfade wrote: post #58
kijin wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I dunno, perhaps if the W3C and WHATWG produced radically different specifications, one of them would be explicitly rejected by everyone and thus die a clean death. That might be better than having two very similar, equally authoritative, but subtly different specifications, one of which is sort of but not quite a snapshot of the other.

Equally authoritative? I had no idea WHATWG was drafting specifications, let alone considered authoritative.

Well, perhaps you haven't kept up then. It's a while since W3C was considered either authoritative or relevant for the modern web.

HTML5 is most all WHATWG.

Re: W3C declares HTML5 standard complete

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Post by coldtea »

pjmlp wrote: post #62
domenicd wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is pretty much the opposite of how things went down. If browsers followed the W3C, we'd be living in XML utopia (XHTML2, XForms, XLink, XEvents, etc.). In 2004 a group of implementers (specifically Mozilla, Opera, and Apple) proposed to the W3C to focus on web applications by evolving HTML and the DOM, but were flat-out turned down, and had to go off and form their own standards organization---the WHATWG. Today,…

And we could have goten something similar to XAML, instead of the HTML, CSS magic and JavaScript workarounds to replicate desktop behavious and UIs.

Do the names XHTML2, XForms, XLink, XEvents invoke an image of something like XAML to you?

We would have ended in some huge JAVA EE circa 2004 mess, with XML to spare and perhaps RDF and a couple ad-hoc languages thrown in for good measure.

Re: W3C declares HTML5 standard complete

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Post by coldtea »

pjmlp wrote: post #63
da_n wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm hoping Chrome will drop their built-in flash runtime, only thing it's used for is ads.

I imagine you don't play browser games.

I imagine not that many people would care if they turned into HTML5 Canvas games.

Nothing kills a laptop battery or spins the fans like BS flash browser games.

Re: W3C declares HTML5 standard complete

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Post by PeterisP »

pjmlp wrote: post #63
da_n wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm hoping Chrome will drop their built-in flash runtime, only thing it's used for is ads.

I imagine you don't play browser games.

New browser games are rapidly moving away from flash to html5, unity, etc.

Re: W3C declares HTML5 standard complete

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Post by ushi »

taf2 wrote: post #29

i guess it's finally time to upgrade that .vimrc to include syntax highlighting for the new tags... canvas, video, audio, nav, section, etc..

i know it was just a joke, but for vim users working with html i recommend the html5 plugin[0].

[0] https://github.com/othree/html5.vim

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