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What will it take to run a 2-hour marathon?

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Re: What will it take to run a 2-hour marathon?

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post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What will drugs give them though? As the article says, the perfect runner will be light, short, have long legs, insane VO2 max, good heat dissipation, low oxygen requirements. Apart from blood doping to increase VO2 max, what can one do to improve those other things?

I think one of the main areas of interest would be raising lactate threshold to delay OBLA. That's the main limit/inhibitor for endurance events. I'd expect the next generation of drugs will focus on things like improving monocarboxylate transporter throughput/efficiency.

Very interesting http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lactate_threshold

Re: What will it take to run a 2-hour marathon?

#62
post #33

Marathon and other endurance sports are interesting. It takes a toll on the body. It catabolizes it. Compare a marathon runner with a 100m runner. Also, as expected, temperature plays a big factor in it, which makes me wonder why so many people "love when it's a nice day" (read: sunny and hot) to exercise.

*catabolism: the breakdown of complex molecules in living organisms to form simpler ones, together with the release of energy; destructive metabolism. Incredible.

meta = ana + cata

Creation and destruction. Build up of tissue, and burning of energy stores.

Re: What will it take to run a 2-hour marathon?

#63

Marathon and other endurance sports are interesting. It takes a toll on the body. It catabolizes it. Compare a marathon runner with a 100m runner. Also, as expected, temperature plays a big factor in it, which makes me wonder why so many people "love when it's a nice day" (read: sunny and hot) to exercise.

I'm nowhere near the level where these people compete, and my thing is road biking, not running, but I did notice the best day for a ride up and down the hills is: low temperature, dense clouds, maybe even light intermittent rain (barring any traction issues in corners).

BTW, strength-based sports also take a toll on the body. Maybe even more than long distance running. You can keep doing long races well into advanced age, whereas weight lifting after 40 is a bit sketchy.

Re: What will it take to run a 2-hour marathon?

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Geez - just run downhill. Problem solved.

EDIT: OK, now that I actually read the article, it turns out the Boston Marathon is ineligible for records for just this reason - it's overall downhill. With that attitude, why not just require galoshes while you're at it?

Re: What will it take to run a 2-hour marathon?

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post #4

Here's the hypothetical scenario that the report describes in the end. I've found reading the analysis after this story makes it an even better read: The road is so flat and straight, you can see them coming from a mile away. Six runners flow in arrowhead formation around the Canadian city of Saskatoon. The early November air is still and dry, the sky overcast, and the temperature hovers a bit above freezing, just as…

The whole article is beyond stupid. It's impossible to seriously discuss athletic records in 2014 and not mention drugs. No discussion of steroids, blood doping, hgh, nothing. For context, the major marathons just increased their drug penalties [1]. The second they get serious about testing they'll discover they have the exact same problem as bicycle racing.

[1] http://www.bmw-berlin-marathon.com/en/news-and-media/news/20...

curun1r: steroids are useful for the exact same reason in the tour de france: decreased training recovery times, joint protection, etc. See eg nordic skiing [2]. You don't take the same doses as bodybuilders do because your goal isn't hypertrophy, but it still helps. Or see this quote [3]

   To boost their strength is not the sole reason athletes turn to steroids, 
   Yesalis adds. "They have been taken for at least 45 years by endurance 
   athletes to recover from workouts rapidly. With steroids, a marathon runner 
   can run longer, a swimmer can do more laps and a cyclist can spend more time 
   pedaling." In sports where endurance is everything, the ability to last 
   longer during workouts and competitions confers a definite advantage.
   
   Read more at: http://phys.org/news71508517.html#jCp
Also -- and I missed this mention amidst the scrolling -- while the article mentions epo, it proceeds to discount epo, and avoids any other drugs

   Doping with EPO or blood transfusions is one way of boosting an already-high 
   VO2 max—and it’s possible that cheating may have contributed to the drop in 
   the marathon record, and could even be the “secret” that allows runners to 
   approach sub-two in the future. But Radcliffe’s numbers offer a reminder 
   that such tactics aren’t necessary to achieve boundary-breaking 
   performances: Her VO2 max was already exceptional when she was a teenager, 
   and it stayed at a relatively constant level throughout her career.
Steroids and other drugs help, as demonstrated by baseball, basketball, football, hockey, powerlifting, olympic lifting, bodybuilding, tour-de-france cycling, time-trial cycling, cross-country skiing, nordic skiing, judo, boxing, and mma. Every athletic endeavor that has been seriously tested has found record-breakers using steroids. The point isn't that having an off-the-scale vo2 max isn't required. That's table stakes. Steroids plus other drugs take that exceptional vo2 max and turn it inhuman.

[2] http://www.steroids.info/2012/10/09/documentary-looks-at-ste...

[3] http://phys.org/news71508517.html

Re: What will it take to run a 2-hour marathon?

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post #64

Geez - just run downhill. Problem solved. EDIT: OK, now that I actually read the article, it turns out the Boston Marathon is ineligible for records for just this reason - it's overall downhill. With that attitude, why not just require galoshes while you're at it?

those courses are ineligible for records

Re: What will it take to run a 2-hour marathon?

#67
post #57
post #31

So much thought was put into the design and yet nobody bothered to add an option on whether you want to see units in standard or american measures. It's 2014, can't you people just detect I'm not american and put up normal Centigrade, km, kg, etc?

"What will it take to run a 7.2 kilosecond marathon?"

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Re: What will it take to run a 2-hour marathon?

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Berlin, Dubai, Rotterdam, Frankfurt, Chicago, and London. In 4 of those cities they have no idea what a degree Fahrenheit is. It is a good idea to be able to choose between different units. Most of the world does not use imperial units is something that lots of people forget.

The article is in an american magazine targeting an american audience.

Re: What will it take to run a 2-hour marathon?

#69
post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, it should be part of HTML. A dimension or unit tag. It seems like a perfect continuation of semantic tags and the direction of XHTML 2 before the presentation-focused monstrosity that is HTML 5.

Units are harder than you might think. If I write 1 pint do I mean an imperial pint, a US liquid pint, or a US dry pint? The foot is equally tricky. This requires that the person writing the page gets it right, whereas with plain text we can rely on context to make a good guess at the unit that was meant.

I don't think that's a major issue. It should be straighforward to disambiguate: make separate units for imperial pint, liquid pint, dry pint, etc. If this is cumbersome, provide an option to set aliases for these in a meta tag, for example. If the writer of the document is sophisticated enough to be using these tags, they should be sophisticated enough to look up what the proper name is for the unit they're using.

Re: What will it take to run a 2-hour marathon?

#70
post #4

Here's the hypothetical scenario that the report describes in the end. I've found reading the analysis after this story makes it an even better read: The road is so flat and straight, you can see them coming from a mile away. Six runners flow in arrowhead formation around the Canadian city of Saskatoon. The early November air is still and dry, the sky overcast, and the temperature hovers a bit above freezing, just as…

Why is it that drafting is allowed in world records? Why not just break the record by having a big draft train like in cycling? Cycling records don't count if drafting is involved, in fact.
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