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OpenBSD 5.6: What will be there

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Re: OpenBSD 5.6: What will be there

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Post by Alupis »

tomasquintero wrote: post #52
Alupis wrote: post #51

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> moved on to big iron F5 and Cisco gear. Just pointing out that this is a perspective thing. PFsense and similar can very-much-so be just as "big iron" as Cisco et al.

ASICs start to play a big role at scale. To me the phrase "big iron" signals towards them.

In that case, things like Mikrotik's would be considered as "big iron". (I happen to be a big Mikrotik fan)

Just making the case that "just buy Cisco" doesn't do anyone really any good in a very wide market with a lot of very good options - sometimes paying for the brand doesn't mean you are getting something better.

Re: OpenBSD 5.6: What will be there

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Post by sudowhodoido »

adamrt wrote: post #35
eropple wrote: post #22

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Caveat laptopor. I installed OpenBSD on my X201 just to give it a shot, and the battery life is atrocious .

http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi/OpenBSD-current/man8/... This may help. Using `apm -C` or `apm -A`

This.

People mustn't expect everything to ever work straight out of the box on anything. Much like you have to install the Lenovo PM driver on windows, you have to config apm on OpenBSD.

This is also well known.

Quick howto which covers the basics: http://geekyschmidt.com/2011/03/27/openbsd-laptop-mini-howto

Re: OpenBSD 5.6: What will be there

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Post by g047f4c3 »

chrissnell wrote: post #4

I used to use OpenBSD extensively in my job because of the awesomeness of PF but later moved on to big iron F5 and Cisco gear. In this new age of NSA wiretaps and cloud based services built around advertising and tracking however, OpenBSD feels more relevant than ever. I'd like to give it a shot as a desktop again. So, who makes a modern laptop with good OpenBSD hardware compatability?

It works like a charm on any intel i-series CPU with integrated intel HD graphics and most intel wireless chipsets (excluding the newer AC* versions).

I use it exclusively on servers, and on all laptops/desktops I use for real work. Its a breath of fresh air! No bloat, no evil, gets the job done - Not to mention some lovely features such as Full (no unencrypted boot slice) disk encryption via softraid, a completely unprivileged X server (with KMS supported GPUs), and a brilliant set of simple and solid daemons included in the base system.

The only time I'll switch away is to use linux - The two reasons there being 1) High-end Gaming, 2) Virtualization.

Re: OpenBSD 5.6: What will be there

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Post by regularfry »

andreasvc wrote: post #18
justincormack wrote: post #17

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Well I noticed today that some random hotel in Germany I was thinking of staying at was on ipv6, and it is way more popular than IE6... People want connected devices, in way more numbers than there are ipv4 addresses, and end to end connectivity is the internet.

I'd say putting mobile devices behind carrier-grade NAT goes a long way. > end to end connectivity is the internet. It was definitely the original idea of the internet, but I'd say it no longer is the reality. People want to access Google and Facebook. The vast majority of users don't need or want their device to be directly reachable from the internet but communicate through cloud services.

If end-to-end is the default, you don't have to be Google or Facebook to play. It's not about the majority, it's about the capability.

Re: OpenBSD 5.6: What will be there

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Post by g047f4c3 »

peatmoss wrote: post #2

Can anyone speak to SSD in OpenBSD? My understanding is that trim support is not supported in OpenBSD ( http://daemonforums.org/showthread.php?p=51377 ). That makes me a little worried about the potential to wear out an SSD drive in a workstation. The thread I linked discusses reducing some writes by using softdeps and the like, is that enough to make this a non-issue?

Some info regarding TRIM, http://www.tedunangst.com/flak/post/lessons-learned-about-TR...

For the moment, just make sure you leave a slice of the SSD unused. You could also on occasion backup the OpenBSD install, replace it with an empty ext4fs and fstrim it via a livecd, then restore the OpenBSD install.

Re: OpenBSD 5.6: What will be there

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Post by nodata »

sudowhodoido wrote: post #62
adamrt wrote: post #35

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http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi/OpenBSD-current/man8/... This may help. Using `apm -C` or `apm -A`

This. People mustn't expect everything to ever work straight out of the box on anything. Much like you have to install the Lenovo PM driver on windows, you have to config apm on OpenBSD. This is also well known. Quick howto which covers the basics: http://geekyschmidt.com/2011/03/27/openbsd-laptop-mini-howto

They certainly can expect that, remember how it was before when nothing worked out of the box?

Re: OpenBSD 5.6: What will be there

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Post by clarry »

atmosx wrote: post #60
chrissnell wrote: post #4

I used to use OpenBSD extensively in my job because of the awesomeness of PF but later moved on to big iron F5 and Cisco gear. In this new age of NSA wiretaps and cloud based services built around advertising and tracking however, OpenBSD feels more relevant than ever. I'd like to give it a shot as a desktop again. So, who makes a modern laptop with good OpenBSD hardware compatability?

On a laptop I'go with linux any day. I don't feel like any BSD was/is intended to be run on laptops, not if you don't wanna lose time in extensive configuration to make everything (almost) work.

That is a weird feeling you have.

If it wasn't intended to be run on laptops, why do most OpenBSD devs run it on their laptops? Why does it have graphics drivers with LVDS output? Touchpad support? Why does it have X with multiple window managers and OpenGL with 3D acceleration? KMS? ACPI suspend & hibernate? Sound daemon? Disk encryption?

There are a lot of features that make mostly (only?) sense on laptops, and the developers spend a lot of effort to make sure it works. It'd be absurd to claim the system is not intended to run on laptops.

I've run OpenBSD on my netbook for years. And it works pretty damn well, right out of the box.

Re: OpenBSD 5.6: What will be there

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Post by sudowhodoido »

nodata wrote: post #67
sudowhodoido wrote: post #62

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This. People mustn't expect everything to ever work straight out of the box on anything. Much like you have to install the Lenovo PM driver on windows, you have to config apm on OpenBSD. This is also well known. Quick howto which covers the basics: http://geekyschmidt.com/2011/03/27/openbsd-laptop-mini-howto

They certainly can expect that, remember how it was before when nothing worked out of the box?

Yes. Even worse than that, I remember when the box contained a pile of bits and you had to sift through piles of manuals to assemble it all first.

Re: OpenBSD 5.6: What will be there

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Post by _delirium »

dmm wrote: post #34
CoconutPilot wrote: post #9

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I heard this and installed OpenBSD on my thinkpad only to find out there is no support for nVidia. I suppose you need ATI or Intel video to get a working X. There is a brief warning about nVidia here: http://www.openbsd.org/amd64.html

Everybody else supports nvidia chips by running a big blog of proprietary code in the kernel. That kind of defeats the purpose of openbsd, right?

Debian doesn't support them with a big binary blob; by default, it supports nvidia chips with an open-source driver (nouveau), which works fine for most things other than 3d gaming. It just hasn't been ported to OpenBSD yet, though there is interest in doing so [1].

[1] http://www.openbsdfoundation.org/gsoc2014.html#nouveau

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