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As Many as 5K .Com’s Taken Away by Sealed Court Order by Verisign

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Re: As Many as 5K .Com’s Taken Away by Sealed Court Order by Verisign

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Post by teacup50 »

joelrunyon wrote: post #18
fleitz wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All you really need to read is the language, they aren't people they're 'shady domain land grabbers'. You can tell from the language that the OP knew of an opportunity to buy mispriced assets and/or renew their domain, and having failed to take the opportunity is now upset at others having taken the opportunities they missed. You know the kind of people that couldn't be bothered to spend $90 for a 10 year registratio…

Given that you have 75 days to renew your domain after it's lapsed renewal - it's not really taking advantage of anyone. There has to be some mechanism to release unused & unregistered domains back to the market. And careful - you just dehumanized an entire set of people ("they're not people") because of the work they do. Domainners might be annoying - but they're not gangsters.

They're not just annoying -- they're immoral.

Re: As Many as 5K .Com’s Taken Away by Sealed Court Order by Verisign

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Post by patmcc »

grizzles wrote: post #57
icebraining wrote: post #44

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It's not an argument. It's a request for one. What's the argument for condemning the GTLD holder just because he doesn't want to sell a particular domain?

The argument is that there's only one Sunrise phase. If Demand Media decide to sell it later to say a competitor of mine, I'm out of luck now aren't I? What's the point then of even having a Sunrise phase? It's just smoke and mirrors.

>>If Demand Media decide to sell it later to say a competitor of mine, I'm out of luck now aren't I?

That depends - are they really a competitor in the same industry, and their use of your trademark leads to confusion in the marketplace? Because then you're not out of luck at all, you have a trademark case.

Re: As Many as 5K .Com’s Taken Away by Sealed Court Order by Verisign

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Post by methodology »

That's a very interesting website. It also features for example analysis of companies and what domains they did/should buy. It really shows how there is really an entire economy over domain names, not just in buying/selling but also other secondary fields like regulation.

Re: As Many as 5K .Com’s Taken Away by Sealed Court Order by Verisign

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Post by tankenmate »

grizzles wrote: post #24

Everything to do with the DNS system is so corrupt and shady. Half the domains dropping in the new GTLD process are "unavailable", "registered", etc. We tried to get an exact trademark for one of our companies in the new GTLD system during the Sunrise phase only to be told by Gandi that the new GTLD owner rejected it. We pushed it pretty hard and had a back and forth with Gandi's CEO who was pretty much on our side b…

Did you register your trademark with the TradeMark Clearing House (TMCH)?

Re: As Many as 5K .Com’s Taken Away by Sealed Court Order by Verisign

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Post by lotsofmangos »

notacoward wrote: post #42
lotsofmangos wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"So, now you give the Devil the benefit of law!" - "Yes! What would you do? Cut a great road through the law to get after the Devil?" "Yes, I'd cut down every law in England to do that!" - "Oh? And when the last law was down, and the Devil turned 'round on you, where would you hide, Roper, the laws all being flat? This country is planted thick with laws, from coast to coast, Man's laws, not God's! And if you cut them…

That's a great quote, but I'm not sure it really applies here. Both sides are "the law" here. One side is the law (defined by ICANN and enforced by a US court) that allows domains to be taken away. The other is the fourth-amendment protection against unreasonable search and seizure, which clearly forbids that very same thing. Both sides are the Devil, too. ICANN vs. domain squatters and speculators. Which is more loa…

It was more in response to "While this is obviously a perversion of justice, I'm not shedding many tears..."

Re: As Many as 5K .Com’s Taken Away by Sealed Court Order by Verisign

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Post by joelrunyon »

wpietri wrote: post #52
joelrunyon wrote: post #14

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Given that we don't even know why they were seized (or how many were seized by each person), it seems like you have an amazing hostility towards domainers in general. What makes you so mad towards them?

They are parasites. They add nothing to the system. In some cases, speculators provide actual value. E.g., they prove or maintain the assets that they speculate on. In others, as with financial speculators, they provide liquidity to the market. Neither is true for domain speculators. They get paid for making the world worse.

You're making broad assumptions on a lot of people.

Some domainners have lots of domains & develop lots of them into valuable properties. Sure - they have a few that are parked - but that's a percentage.

Typically - money is a measure of value you add to the world. They have to be adding some sort of value in the world or they wouldn't be able to extract value from their activities.

Re: As Many as 5K .Com’s Taken Away by Sealed Court Order by Verisign

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Post by dsl »

mcintyre1994 wrote: post #31
dsl wrote: post #28

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What if the 5,000 domains were seized and shut down to prevent a massive worm that had compromised millions of computers and would result in massive theft against millions of consumers? In the vast majority of cases law enforcement and court actions against domains are justifiable and benefit the internet.

In that case why would it be a sealed court order? Also if sealed court orders are involved and we assume we don't know about all of them, how can you possibly make claims regarding "the vast majority"?

Personally being involved in a lot of domain takedowns.

Re: As Many as 5K .Com’s Taken Away by Sealed Court Order by Verisign

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Post by the_ancient »

dsl wrote: post #27
sadfaceunread wrote: post #4

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Out of court settlement. Microsoft and No-ip both issued press releases/updates to their original blog posts about it. No details about the settlement were released but No-IP certainly got paid.

Details are obviously not public, but noip did not receive any money as a result. Regardless of popular opinion on the matter, Microsoft managed to get a lot of harmful malware shut down.

and the ends justify the means right?

Who care how many innocent people are victimized in the process, as long as Microsoft can get some good PR it is all A-OK

I bet Microsoft could shutdown all kinds of malware if we all just allow them to continually monitor all of our computers at all times....

Re: As Many as 5K .Com’s Taken Away by Sealed Court Order by Verisign

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Post by joelrunyon »

teacup50 wrote: post #61
joelrunyon wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Given that you have 75 days to renew your domain after it's lapsed renewal - it's not really taking advantage of anyone. There has to be some mechanism to release unused & unregistered domains back to the market. And careful - you just dehumanized an entire set of people ("they're not people") because of the work they do. Domainners might be annoying - but they're not gangsters.

They're not just annoying -- they're immoral.

How is buying a domain that no one is using for market price "immoral"?

Re: As Many as 5K .Com’s Taken Away by Sealed Court Order by Verisign

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Post by ASneakyFox »

joelrunyon wrote: post #69
teacup50 wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They're not just annoying -- they're immoral.

How is buying a domain that no one is using for market price "immoral"?

Because it's done with the purpose of eventually giving some one a shake down ergo eventually might have a use for the domain.

Only reason they they let this happen is because it's good for business. I'm sure domain like 95 percent of domain registrations are done by these so called "domainers" or people protecting themselves from then.

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