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Trends in the Silk Road 2.0

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Re: Trends in the Silk Road 2.0

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Any examples?

He's presumably referring to the contract killings Ross Ulbricht is alleged to have tried to arrange.

This charge was dropped.

In my opinion, it was a baseless charge in the first place, meant to poison the well against Ross.

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It's interesting and probably not surprising that the most popular drug on the Silk Road 2.0 (and probably other darknet marketplaces) is MDMA. MDMA is difficult to find in pure forms and impurities can kill you. If you buy MDMA from a vendor with a 4.9/5 rating, you can be reasonably certain you're getting quality product (comparable to old pressed pills you can hear aging ravers wax nostalgic about) at a fair price…

Precisely for this reason there are actually places in Holland where people can have their ecstasy pills tested, so that they know exactly how much MDMA and what other stuff is inside.

Re: Trends in the Silk Road 2.0

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post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He's presumably referring to the contract killings Ross Ulbricht is alleged to have tried to arrange.

This charge was dropped. In my opinion, it was a baseless charge in the first place, meant to poison the well against Ross.

It wasn't dropped, I wish people would stop parroting that line. He was indicted in two separate jurisdictions, NY and Maryland. Maryland indicted him for 'Planned Violence' which includes one count of murder for hire. The NY charges are the ones that he's currently facing, the Maryland charges are still in the wings.

http://freeross.org/correction-of-our-report-on-the-indictme...

Re: Trends in the Silk Road 2.0

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post #6

It's interesting and probably not surprising that the most popular drug on the Silk Road 2.0 (and probably other darknet marketplaces) is MDMA. MDMA is difficult to find in pure forms and impurities can kill you. If you buy MDMA from a vendor with a 4.9/5 rating, you can be reasonably certain you're getting quality product (comparable to old pressed pills you can hear aging ravers wax nostalgic about) at a fair price…

> MDMA is difficult to find in pure forms and impurities can kill you. If you buy MDMA from a vendor with a 4.9/5 rating Could this be selection bias? If you're dead you can't give a bad rating?

Drugs are social, most people who buy from SR will have at least one friend who know where they got them and would go out of their way to warn others.

MDMA almost never kills people, it's far safer than alcohol or most other drugs. The chance of serious selection bias is unlikely.

More likely there is bias because sellers can edit listings without losing the existing rating.

Re: Trends in the Silk Road 2.0

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This charge was dropped. In my opinion, it was a baseless charge in the first place, meant to poison the well against Ross.

It wasn't dropped, I wish people would stop parroting that line. He was indicted in two separate jurisdictions, NY and Maryland. Maryland indicted him for 'Planned Violence' which includes one count of murder for hire. The NY charges are the ones that he's currently facing, the Maryland charges are still in the wings. http://freeross.org/correction-of-our-report-on-the-indictme...

And he is innocent until proven guilty. So people should stick to that angle.

Re: Trends in the Silk Road 2.0

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>Crawling through tor already obfuscates your identity to a certain degree, so we don’t really have to do anything other than cycling User-Agent strings to look different from any other client. Why is that necessary, though? If Silk Road has any checks in place that protects against scraping, why are those in place?

Shouldn't he just identify as some recent version of Tor Browser?

Re: Trends in the Silk Road 2.0

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post #42
post #6

It's interesting and probably not surprising that the most popular drug on the Silk Road 2.0 (and probably other darknet marketplaces) is MDMA. MDMA is difficult to find in pure forms and impurities can kill you. If you buy MDMA from a vendor with a 4.9/5 rating, you can be reasonably certain you're getting quality product (comparable to old pressed pills you can hear aging ravers wax nostalgic about) at a fair price…

> Silk Road allows them to be distributed without any violence. Yeah, what's a few contract killings among friends...

1. This is irrelevant to what I was discussing. No MDMA dealer is committing any violence. The fact that Ross Ulbricht's opsec was allegedly bad enough that he could be blackmailed isn't a general fact about darknet markets.

2. That entire exchange is totally trumped up. This is the exchange the complaint alleges occurs:

BLACKMAILER: Pay me $X. I need it to pay DEBTOR.

DPR: Let me speak to DEBTOR.

DEBTOR: Hello, this is DEBTOR.

DPR: I will pay you $X/4 to kill BLACKMAILER.

DEBTOR: We want $X/3.

DPR: I have had men killed for $X/5, but I will pay you $X/3.

DEBTOR: It's done. Nice doing business with you.

DPR: Likewise.

As far as I'm aware, no actual murder victim has ever turned up, and none of the parties except Ross have been arrested. The exchange sounds much more like a negotiation tactic than an actual contract killing, and is much more reasonable if you read it as such.

But of course this is irrelevant to people who want to use it to horns-effect anything within an arms reach of the greatest project in harm reduction the world has ever seen. To put it another way, people died this last year, this summer, this week probably, from bad drugs. There is no reason why the modern world cannot supply these drugs safely, and darknet markets seem to do a better job than anything else.

But go ahead and parrot the DEA line. Just remember that those who aren't on the right side of history are inevitably on the wrong side of it.

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post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Potentially, but death is still pretty rare with impure MDMA and the effects can be felt. It's also a social drug, so I would imagine most buyers purchasing ~tens of pills and sharing them with friends. One would probably leave a bad review if a friend died. Testing kits and services are also available so you could review the quality without even taking the drug.

Be forewarned: A lot of these kits only test for the presence of, not quality/purity of, MDMA and other forms of E. That being said, someone would definitely pipe up and say "this killed my friend" if something were to go wrong.

A test I learned in jail from petty computer trespassing charges when I was a kid is to light a small amount of powder on fire sitting on foil, if the residue is cherry red it's mainly mdma and not piperazines. Once again prison is criminal university.

If regeant testing a pill break it in half and test the inside too since often the outside is coated in mdma and the inside is shitty pipes

Re: Trends in the Silk Road 2.0

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post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> With hundreds of reviews I'd hope a few people were smart enough to sacrifice some of their MDMA to test it. I guess that it depends on how easy it is to test it. If it requires a chemistry degree and a lab I am guessing they won't test even if they are otherwise smart.

Testing is actually pretty easy, you can get a fairly comprehensive test kit from dancesafe.org[0] for $65.00. [0]: http://www.dancesafe.org/product/coomplete-adulterant-screen...

Holy flippin' mark-up! $65 for four bottles that contains maybe $1-2 worth of chemicals?

Anyways, as someone stated above, these kits test for the presence of MDMA, not necessarily all adulterants. There is the issue of cross-reactivity as well.

It's better than nothing, but I'm not sure I would trust a drug that hadn't been run through an HPLC.

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