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Station Crew Docks Dragon Capsule to ISS

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Re: Station Crew Docks Dragon Capsule to ISS

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18 years. Took them long enough.

"You can always count on Americans to do the right thing - after they've tried everything else." -- Winston Churchill

I think that was meant mostly as a compliment. Both trying everything and doing the right thing are rare enough behaviors, even by themselves. We should strive to be as good as we were, when he said that.

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#62

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"You can always count on Americans to do the right thing - after they've tried everything else." -- Winston Churchill

I think that was meant mostly as a compliment. Both trying everything and doing the right thing are rare enough behaviors, even by themselves. We should strive to be as good as we were, when he said that.

I didn't get that from the post, but thank you for helping me see a different perspective.

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His point (I believe) is you always need to label units regardless of system. You could have the same problems with microseconds vs nanoseconds.

Tloewald's point was that microseconds and nanoseconds are not SI base units, so standardizing on base units eliminates the ambiguity (the second alone is the SI base unit of time). Of course additional mechanisms of double and triple checking are probably still warranted to account for human fallibility.

That's fine until you start using floating point values in order to satisfy this SI fetish. (I guess you like farads and henries too.) It's much better to use fixed point and keep track of your multiplier. A sufficiently advanced type system could do this, but at some point it will require careful thinking about precision.

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And that is their second launch within 14 days. The previous launch was a satellite to a geostationary orbit.

This 14-day interval between Falcon 9 launches was the fastest consecutive launch since Gemini 7 & 6A in December 4 & 15, 1965. SpaceX plans to beat that record soon with launches a week apart becoming routine.

And that is what I find fascinating. Weekly launches into even low earth orbit is a tremendous capability to lob stuff up there. I do look forward to the Dragon2 tests, and the next F9R landing attempt.

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And that is their second launch within 14 days. The previous launch was a satellite to a geostationary orbit.

This 14-day interval between Falcon 9 launches was the fastest consecutive launch since Gemini 7 & 6A in December 4 & 15, 1965. SpaceX plans to beat that record soon with launches a week apart becoming routine.

Unfortunately they've only got two F9 orbital launches planned for the entire rest of the year.

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It's common for pretty much all of engineering really. It's ludicrous to make calculations a bit more complicated by using weird non-SI units. The fact that NASA managed to crash a probe into Mars because they hadn't yet learned the lesson says it all really. Just use SI units and stop worrying about it.

No, the important lesson is to always label your units, and another one might be to always be careful passing dimensionful numbers between codes and teams. You can run into the same problem by accidentally even forgetting to convert between, e.g., newtons and millinewtons.

That is precisely the policy adopted by NASA, and it lead to the Mars disaster, so you are suggesting as a solution the exactly policy that caused the problem.

Furthermore, you are suggesting that the same entities--highly trained engineers and scientists and project managers--that proved inadequate to follow the policy you are suggesting last time can somehow be expected to follow the policy correctly at all times in the future.

Reducing needless complexity--in this case by enforcing a standard of common units so that when the inevitable inevitably occurs and someone forgets to label things--there is a much reduced (but still non-zero) chance of undetected mis-matches occurring.

Furthermore, it is very difficult to confuse milli-newtons with newtons even if a project was for some reason using both, because they differ by three orders of magnitude, which tends to get noticed. Whereas kilograms and pounds differ only by a factor of 2.54, which might be--and in fact has been--missed.

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18 years. Took them long enough.

"You can always count on Americans to do the right thing - after they've tried everything else." -- Winston Churchill

From an algorithmic point of view, you could rephrase it as "You can always count on Americans to pick the optimal solution by brute-forcing through the entire search space".

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Whenever I see ISS dockings I wonder why the arm isn't computer controlled. There's no specific information on this page but I'm assuming it was a manual docking. Can anyone explain why the process is still manual?

In fact the arm can be remotely controlled. As of 2005[1] ground controllers can uplink sequences of commands for the arm to complete. According to an article[2] about this Dragon launch, DEXTRE (two-armed human-like remote manipulator) will be remotely commanded to unpack cargo from the Dragon's unpressurized trunk and mount it on the station. I believe this is not a new thing at all.

[1]: http://www.space.com/1033-remote-access-canadarm-2-hand-grou...

[2]: http://spaceflightnow.com/falcon9/013/140923arrival/#.VCHgLy...

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18 years. Took them long enough.

Except automation in spaceflight was a solved problem long ago. The Buran had more automation than the STS because of US politics in regard to the STS than some major innovation. In fact, the Buran is the poster-boy of lack of innovation. Its just a slightly souped up COPY of the STS long after the STS was in production. This like calling a 2014 Kia that looks like a 2003 Mercedes innovative because it has the option…

I was only being sort of half serious but this thing is amazing, I remember seing amature satelite spotted _photograph_ this thing in orbit on its top secret mission. Glad to know more about it.
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