Quote: "The first half of the 20th century overhauled the pattern of our lives: The light bulb abolished night; the internal combustion engine tamed distance. They fundamentally reconceived the rhythms of life. That's why our young man propelled from 1890 to 1950 would be flummoxed at every turn. A young fellow catapulted from 1950 to today would, on the surface, feel instantly at home – and then notice a few cool electronic toys. And, after that, he might wonder about the defining down of 'accomplishment': Wow, you've invented a more compact and portable delivery system for Justin Bieber!"
Why Is Peter Thiel Pessimistic About Technological Innovation?
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#62Earlier quoted context omitted.
Everything you cite is in or closely related to the IT sector, which is the exception. Every other sector has gone cold or even backwards since ~1970.
That's only because you're unaware of innovations that have happened in other sectors and their consequences. In oil, there've been huge breakthroughs in fracking, horizontal drilling, and oil shale and tar sands mining. As a result, U.S. oil imports have fallen by a third since 2008 [1], and domestic crude oil production is up nearly 50%. We've pulled out of Iraq and Afghanistan because the Middle East is no longer…
I think the U.S. pulled out of these two wars because they were stupid in the first place and became fiscally unstrategic at a straggering scale... Like we could have paid for Kyoto worldwide with that kind of money. Just washed down the drain, and we're not done dealing with the geopolitical costs, not to mention the human costs.
Also, Afghanistan is in Central Asia.
I agree with the rest of your point on oil innovation, even if it's just driving us faster towards the next anoxic event...
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#63The premise of the book, on the higher value of inventing totally new things rather than copying, sounded good to me.
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#64I love the tension between the "OMG Robots will do everything, even write code!" and "Technological progress has essentially ground to a standstill" camps. It's refreshing to see something from the standstill camp; thanks to self driving cars the former has been enjoying its day in the sun. Especially so since it fits with a nice cultural narrative about the haves and the have-nots; the theory being that all the robo…
They're called compilers. Programmers still have jobs.
There was a time (ca. 2008) where oil price rises were predicted to continue to $500/bbl or more by, er, well now.
Peak oil. We've been at/around 85 million barrels per day for about ten years. It seems to be more of a plateau, not exponential decline. However, prices are going up and so is environmental harm in getting the stuff, and those trends show no sign of slowing.
We still have to get off the shit. We just have more time than the doomsayers (always a minority even in "peak oil"-aware circles) thought. Whether we have 10 or 150 years before an oil-powered economy becomes unsustainable, it's not good for the planet to be belching all that carbon into the atmosphere.
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#65"I sort-of date the end of rapid technological progress to the late-60s or early-70s. At that point something more or less broke in this country and in the western world more generally which has put us into a zone where there’s much slower technological progress." I've believed for years that we entered something like a minor dark age (dim age?) on or about 1970, and that computers have become synonymous with "techno…
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#66We're close to getting cars that can drive themselves. We have cars that can detect when the brakes are locking and fix it, so that you never go into a skid. We have railroad locomotives that can tell when an axle is just starting to slip, and cut the power to that one axle, so that the wheels never slip even at full power on slick rails. We have jet aircraft engines that can report when a part is getting close to fa…
This is the important bit, and it matters a lot more than some of the anecdata the original post mentioned. Commercial airliners haven't got faster than Concorde, they've got slower. They've also got smaller wingspans and less buoyancy than Howard Hughes' Spruce Goose. As impressive as the engineering accomplishments were, they optimized for the wrong goals; today's airliners might not be as interesting but they are fuel efficient, reliable and don't need to float. And regular people fly on them, regularly.
The billions that gets spent on making aero engines 1% more efficient every year might not be as glamorous as Concorde, but cheaper tickets for the general public (and satellite internet in BA1 for those senior executives rich enough to have previously considered Concorde on that route) actually delivered better outcomes.
If instead of looking at progression in maximum speeds one looks at how much people fly, we're in a phase of acceleration.
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#67The Digital Math Library project has been going on for years in the background (mostly in Europe). They have been doing conferences for years, and, at 30,000 feet, it looks like fascinating work: http://cicm-conference.org/2014/cicm.php?event=nop&menu=gene...
The computerization of mathematical reasoning, and in particular directing AI toward the study of the "pre-rigorous reasoning" aspect of mathematical work is, in my opinion, a great "plan of attack" toward general AI. Mathematics is about problem solving, and if computers can learn to do problem-solving well in the mathematical domain, in a general way, it seems to me that there is hope that computers will be able to solve problems in other domains as well.
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#68We're close to getting cars that can drive themselves. We have cars that can detect when the brakes are locking and fix it, so that you never go into a skid. We have railroad locomotives that can tell when an axle is just starting to slip, and cut the power to that one axle, so that the wheels never slip even at full power on slick rails. We have jet aircraft engines that can report when a part is getting close to fa…
A lot of these were actually invented/designed in the 70s or earlier, or are iterations of breakthrough ideas from those years. He's talking about actual breakthrough innovations.
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#69The takeaway from Thiel's fairly accurate assessment of broad technological progress is the following: You get what you incentivize. Winner-take-all free market capitalism is not synonymous with advanced, century-long research and development projects at the national scale. Our current socioeconomic system rewards convincing others to depart with their money in the quickest way possible. Ponzi-schemes, marketing, fin…
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#70His thesis is (roughly): What we are currently doing is rapidly increasing the interconnectedness or the networking density of our society almost worldwide (e.g. social networks Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat, you name it) and the devices we use (e.g. IoT), we have also increased spontaneous activities in these networks (e.g. web 2.0 services where people can be interactive), additionally we have implemented functions that enable circular stimulus in these networks (retweet and share functions). If these 3 effects come together there is the tendency that these systems will carry signals that resonate and amplify themselfs. It is almost impossible to forecast when and how this happens, because these networks are non-linear. If you post something that resonates with a lot of people you can be very powerful from one moment to another. Technology is only the enabler here and I have no doubt that this has a huge impact on society - see the revolution in Egypt for example. One outcome is a shift of power, because it is really hard to control these networks. Even though we have very sophisticated mass-surveilance most events happen very uncontrolled.