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Re: Inside a Tesla Model S Battery Pack

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Isn't that the type of cell the 777 use(s/d)? I think Elon Musk very addressed the issue pretty well. http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/elon-musk-boeing-7... "Large cells without enough space between them to isolate against the cell-to-cell thermal domino effect means it is simply a matter of time before there are more incidents of this nature," he adds. "Moreover, when thermal runaway occurs with a big cell,…

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Indeed, oops

Re: Inside a Tesla Model S Battery Pack

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Seems like there is a lot of room for improvement? Reducing the sheer number of casings on individual cells would radically reduce weight/volume. Then with less groups of cells you could actually have the BMS monitor them like my lifepo lithium battery for bicycle.

Fuck safety, they should just stuff the door panels with cells!

Re: Inside a Tesla Model S Battery Pack

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That's pretty interesting and is testament to the versatility of the 18650 cell package!

I'm rebuilding ThinkPad X200 9-cell this weekend that is filled with 18650s and repaired a PBX about 15 years ago that had them in it so they appear literally everywhere.

Re: Inside a Tesla Model S Battery Pack

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Interesting to compare this to the ford fusion battery[1], which uses clever construction to prevent a technician from being exposed to high voltages during construction and teardown. [1] http://www.etotheipiplusone.net/?p=3109

Nice to compare the Ford and the Tesla packs side-by-side. The Tesla looks incredibly much nicer (mostly reflected in the price of the resulting vehicle).

Re: Inside a Tesla Model S Battery Pack

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Seems like there is a lot of room for improvement? Reducing the sheer number of casings on individual cells would radically reduce weight/volume. Then with less groups of cells you could actually have the BMS monitor them like my lifepo lithium battery for bicycle.

There are reports that the casing is a significant portion of the pack price.

It might not be that the number of layers makes it fundamentally expensive.But instead the design and manufacturing might not be yet very optimized.

Re: Inside a Tesla Model S Battery Pack

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Seems like there is a lot of room for improvement? Reducing the sheer number of casings on individual cells would radically reduce weight/volume. Then with less groups of cells you could actually have the BMS monitor them like my lifepo lithium battery for bicycle.

I'm pretty sure the casings are there for fire isolation

Yes but couldn't you have a casing that holds a dozen cells instead of a casing on each individual cell?

If a cell burns it is going to take out its neighbors anyway.

Or they could start to do something similar to LiFePo4 which will not burn.

Re: Inside a Tesla Model S Battery Pack

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post #54

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Hey bigiain! I'm the one who initiated the archive against the page(s) in question. While I understand copyright is important, I also believe in the preservation of digital history on the internet. The page in question isn't password protected, nor were the images prevented by the Internet Archiver's archive process from committing the page to their archive. The author still receives their attribution, and The Archiv…

The copyright owners wishes are very well explained: "Images I post in this thread and my related commentary are posted and published by me, the original photographer. All copyrights and all other rights reserved. These images may not be copied or otherwise distributed outside of this forum without my express permission." To me, it pretty clear that initiating an archive against that page was explicitly ignoring the…

You're absolutely right but this is a strange situation. It would take a pretty good NLP to figure out that this is the case and all things otherwise being equal I don't know how the archive would be told not to archive certain data if not through robots.txt, which is the non-human readable form. Otherwise you could always use the absence of either to do an end-run around the other.

So for practical reasons it is probably best to claim both copyright on the page and to set up robots.txt to specifically forbid those pieces that you don't want spread around from being indexed/archived.

In the eyes of the law probably only the copyright bit matters.

Re: Inside a Tesla Model S Battery Pack

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Hey bigiain! I'm the one who initiated the archive against the page(s) in question. While I understand copyright is important, I also believe in the preservation of digital history on the internet. The page in question isn't password protected, nor were the images prevented by the Internet Archiver's archive process from committing the page to their archive. The author still receives their attribution, and The Archiv…

The copyright owners wishes are very well explained: "Images I post in this thread and my related commentary are posted and published by me, the original photographer. All copyrights and all other rights reserved. These images may not be copied or otherwise distributed outside of this forum without my express permission." To me, it pretty clear that initiating an archive against that page was explicitly ignoring the…

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