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Death by Inches: The battle over the metric system in America

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Re: Death by Inches: The battle over the metric system in America

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Everyone seems to be missing the most obvious reason to convert. http://gizmodo.com/5786004/these-are-the-three-countries-who... We're a global economy. By the ends of the century, India and China will have pushed us down to at least #3.

It would be interesting to add up which costs more: Keeping English measurement for some products and engineering (i.e. construction), or having a mixed CDMA/GSM (not to mention iDEN) mobile infrastructure.

Having a global economy doesn't seem to have much impact or those English-sized wrenches made in China should cost more.

Re: Death by Inches: The battle over the metric system in America

#63

Someone (a jogger/runner?) on reddit a few days ago made an interesting observation, maybe this was known. The Fibonacci sequence can be used as a rough guide to convert km to miles and vice versa. 0, 1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, 21, 34 The first four don't work very well but: 3km is about 2 miles 5km is about 3 miles 8km is about 5 miles 13km is about 8 miles 21km is about 13 miles 34km is about 21 miles and so on

Nothing mysterious there; in the Fibonacci sequence, the ratio of the number and the one before it converges to the golden ratio which is almost the same as the conversion rate between km and miles.

I think it is easier to multiply by 0.6. Or do the simpler approximation: n/2 + n/10 + ( n/100 )*2

You can drop the last term if you don't need an accurate result.

Divisions and multiplications by 2, 10 and 100 are really easy.

850km to miles:

425 + 85 + 17 = 527 miles , the correct result is 528.166 miles

258km to miles:

129 + 26 + 5 = 160 miles , correct result is 160.314 miles

Re: Death by Inches: The battle over the metric system in America

#64
post #6

I wish the article had touched on temperature systems; I feel like Celsius is metric at its weakest. Farenheit has beautiful bands: 0's: So cold you have trouble doing anything and just want to warm up immediately 10's: Wear a ski jacket with hat and scarf and gloves 20's: Wear a ski jacket and hat 30's: Wear a ski jacket but leave it open 40's: Wear a wool overcoat 50's: Wear a heavy jacket 60's: Wear a light jacket…

Celsius...

0: Freezing point of water

100: Boiling point of water

A lot more precise than the rationale you proposed.

Re: Death by Inches: The battle over the metric system in America

#65
post #3

I have some difficulties with the issues described in the piece. "A yard is the distance from your sternum to the tip of your outstretched hand." According to folk belief, it's the distance from the tip of Henry I's nose to the end of his thumb. According to an early definition, "It is ordained that 3 grains of barley dry and round do make an inch, 12 inches make 1 foot, 3 feet make 1 yard." Who here has an idea of t…

Small correction: distance light travels in...

Re: Death by Inches: The battle over the metric system in America

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post #48
post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The nice thing about the metric system is that the base is consistent - it's always some multiple of 10. With the imperial system, it gets tricky remembering whether you have to multiply by 12 or 16 or 5280 or whatnot.

That objection is growing obsolete, too: Nobody these days divides by 5280; they go to Google and type "1/4 mile in feet"

Don't you feel handicapped having to use a computer to express basic distances? In the metric system, you have to have some sort of low IQ not to be able to convert from meters to kilomethers on the fly. Hours to seconds is trickier, and would be much improved by decimal notation.

Re: Death by Inches: The battle over the metric system in America

#68
post #6

I wish the article had touched on temperature systems; I feel like Celsius is metric at its weakest. Farenheit has beautiful bands: 0's: So cold you have trouble doing anything and just want to warm up immediately 10's: Wear a ski jacket with hat and scarf and gloves 20's: Wear a ski jacket and hat 30's: Wear a ski jacket but leave it open 40's: Wear a wool overcoat 50's: Wear a heavy jacket 60's: Wear a light jacket…

Celsius... 0: Freezing point of water 100: Boiling point of water A lot more precise than the rationale you proposed.

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Re: Death by Inches: The battle over the metric system in America

#69
post #3

I have some difficulties with the issues described in the piece. "A yard is the distance from your sternum to the tip of your outstretched hand." According to folk belief, it's the distance from the tip of Henry I's nose to the end of his thumb. According to an early definition, "It is ordained that 3 grains of barley dry and round do make an inch, 12 inches make 1 foot, 3 feet make 1 yard." Who here has an idea of t…

As you've illustrated, we've come to value precision over intuition. The reason people using metric don't feel like they're missing something without organic units is because people who use the relics of those organic units don't use them in the fuzzy organic sense either anymore. When someone tells me "1 foot long" I expect exactly 12 standardized inches- not something roughly as big as my foot (even though, in my case, my foot is almost exactly 12 inches).

In modern times when we want a more organic measure we find ourselves dropping standard units (whether metric or imperial) and using random analogous items instead- like number of empire-state-buildings or 10-paces then turn left, or (more often perhaps but slightly different)- about 3 blocks away.

The moment people started caring about whether it was Henry I's nose-to-thumb length or some multiple of grains of barley dry it stopped mattering. I'm very average sized and my pace is almost exactly one yard per step (or, as you pointed out, more or less a meter as well). I would be fine using the term 'yard' in the intuitive or organic sense- but when you're using it to tell me exactly where my property line is I suddenly need precision, agreed on standards, and at that point the question of inches vs centimeters is strictly a question of familiarity (or I suppose, as the article mentions, politics).

Re: Death by Inches: The battle over the metric system in America

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post #3

I have some difficulties with the issues described in the piece. "A yard is the distance from your sternum to the tip of your outstretched hand." According to folk belief, it's the distance from the tip of Henry I's nose to the end of his thumb. According to an early definition, "It is ordained that 3 grains of barley dry and round do make an inch, 12 inches make 1 foot, 3 feet make 1 yard." Who here has an idea of t…

Isn't this akin to the reddit meme of showing everything next to a banana "for scale" comparing body parts?

I.e. non-deterministic and from a scientific perspective, total horse shit.

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