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Re: Announcing a specification for PHP

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Post by acomjean »

tetha wrote: post #55
duaneb wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> PHP is quite a capable language I don't think anyone is complaining that it's not turing complete (or whatever), it's all the times php has dropped the ball in the std library, both with respect to being consistent with itself and just being plain broken. I don't think any sane person would switch from a language INTO php, given how many languages that are just as capable as php without having all of its various hi…

For me this is the important part. I have a team with java/php/javascript experience. PHP will not be an option for my use case. I need a json based rest interface with a decently discoverable web interface. Java has stupidly powerful rest interface libraries with jersey or full application servers, and javascript has hugely powerful frontend interfaces with angular or other frameworks, based on a strong rest interfa…

>I need a json based rest interface with a decently discoverable web interface.

php has apigility for this.

Though if you don't have php experience I wouldn't switch languages to get it

https://apigility.org/

Re: Announcing a specification for PHP

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Post by SaraMG »

ecaron wrote: post #33

I sure hope Sara Golemon gets the recognition out of this that she deserves (and which the article starts to build.) Having met her at a couple conferences, she continues to demonstrate a brilliant understanding of what it takes to build a programming language WHILE being a tremendous advocate and builder of a community where being a member isn't always... popular. Rock on, @saramg

The props go to Joel Marcey, Drew Paroski, and Rex Jaeschke though.

Re: Announcing a specification for PHP

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Post by dragonwriter »

thathonkey wrote: post #60
secstate wrote: post #47

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Amen. I think this thread could use a little: http://eev.ee/blog/2012/04/09/php-a-fractal-of-bad-design/ It has never been about whether PHP can get shit done, it's that given languages that actually had formal design processes and make your days as a coder a joy, why would you move TO PHP. There are simply so many other options.

There are many other options, none of which enjoy the ubiquity of PHP (as far as being installed on such a vast majority of hosts). The barrier to entry is higher if you want to run a site on something else. That is the sole reason PHP is as popular as it is and part of the reason why it stays popular and powers so many of the internet's top websites. Other reasons why it stays popular is that they really have improv…

> There are many other options, none of which enjoy the ubiquity of PHP (as far as being installed on such a vast majority of hosts).

What is this really an issue for? I mean, sure, there may be more choices of low-cost low-feature shared hosts that support PHP than other languages, but its hardly as if there aren't a sufficient quantity of low-cost (even, in some cases, with free tiers) platforms for apps in a wide variety of languages.

Unless you are literally compelled to choose a host at random, the fact that a randomly-chosen shared host is more likely to support PHP shouldn't really matter.

Re: Announcing a specification for PHP

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Post by SaraMG »

TazeTSchnitzel wrote: post #11
birkbork wrote: post #10

This is great news for the PHP community, and I for one applaud their effort. Contrary to what many HN hipsters seems to believe, PHP is quite a capable language, and HHVM / Hack is really pushing things forward. * Hack introduces type hinting, imo the major lacking part in PHP. * HHVM introduces speed to php. On a personal project calculating perlin noise, I got about 8x speedup on HHVM. * The specification helps pa…

>Hack introduces type hinting, imo the major lacking part in PHP. Hack extends PHP's type hints, it doesn't add them. It also makes PHP statically typed.

nit:

It makes it gradually typed. The types are only as static as you choose to make them.

Re: Announcing a specification for PHP

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Post by dragonwriter »

Aldo_MX wrote: post #4

As a discussion of any programming language grows longer, the probability of a bashing against such language approaches 1. Any similarity with Godwin's law is mere coincidence.

As any discussion grows longer, the probability of an utterance in the discussion meeting any particular description increases monotonically with a limit of 1.

The similarity between your observation and Godwin's law (and every possible observation of similar form) is not coincidence.

Re: Announcing a specification for PHP

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Post by sbarre »

tetha wrote: post #55
duaneb wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> PHP is quite a capable language I don't think anyone is complaining that it's not turing complete (or whatever), it's all the times php has dropped the ball in the std library, both with respect to being consistent with itself and just being plain broken. I don't think any sane person would switch from a language INTO php, given how many languages that are just as capable as php without having all of its various hi…

For me this is the important part. I have a team with java/php/javascript experience. PHP will not be an option for my use case. I need a json based rest interface with a decently discoverable web interface. Java has stupidly powerful rest interface libraries with jersey or full application servers, and javascript has hugely powerful frontend interfaces with angular or other frameworks, based on a strong rest interfa…

Dingo for Laravel might be worth a look for you.

https://github.com/dingo/api

edit: I misunderstood your post I think.. But if you're looking to generate APIs, Dingo is still worth a look just for reference.. :-)

Re: Announcing a specification for PHP

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Post by ChikkaChiChi »

PHP is fantastic if you are starting from scratch and you don't necessarily need any third party libraries. PDO is very well done and the native database drivers are some of the fastest available.

With a properly tuned nginx/fpm/apc stack, I've been able to deliver solutions that truly back up the results you see from comparison benchmarks like Techempower.

In many cases in web development, PHP can be the right tool for the job!

Re: Announcing a specification for PHP

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Post by Aldo_MX »

heinrich5991 wrote: post #54
krapp wrote: post #7

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There are languages that everybody hates, and then there are the languages nobody uses.

I believe C++ is not hated universally and is still used like everywhere.

No language is hated universally, even JavaScript got some love[1].

[1] http://javascript.crockford.com

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