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Re: Google, Gmail experiencing downtime worldwide

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Post by natrius »

modoc wrote: post #28
ars wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But if you stored it locally you would still have downtime. Downtime (problems) are inevitable. It's just that only you would notice, so it might not get on the news. I doubt the actual uptime would be that different for any one person.

The difference is that you can know what's wrong and fix it (assuming you're able). Also, over the past 2+ years, my mail server has had less downtime than GMail, and any outages were easy for me to diagnose and fix. I like feeling in control over critical pieces of my business (at least as much as possible - I'm in no position to build my own DC for instance).

Google is a better sysadmin than I am. I assume most people are in the same boat.

Re: Google, Gmail experiencing downtime worldwide

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Post by Afton »

pbhj wrote: post #52

US date order always makes me laugh - it's like people looked at date order and thought if the day comes before the month that will be the European way, lets flip it. Then they realised that would be YYYY-mm-dd and so be ISO standard order, dang can't have that, hey lets have a mixture. I know it didn't happen this way but some sort of logical order would be good.

The order is logical, it maps to the way many americans speak. E.g. July 4th, 2000, which is always spoken as ... er... the 4th of july, 2009. Well. uh. Bad example.

Re: Google, Gmail experiencing downtime worldwide

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Post by lsc »

natrius wrote: post #61
modoc wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The difference is that you can know what's wrong and fix it (assuming you're able). Also, over the past 2+ years, my mail server has had less downtime than GMail, and any outages were easy for me to diagnose and fix. I like feeling in control over critical pieces of my business (at least as much as possible - I'm in no position to build my own DC for instance).

Google is a better sysadmin than I am. I assume most people are in the same boat.

I know google hires some people who are better than me, but that doesn't mean the gmail system is better than something I could engineer.... For one thing, google needs to have a much lower cost per user than I do, forcing them to make some choices that I don't have to. I have no problem paying $50 a month for email service, and that level of cost per user would be untenable on a free email service. (I host most of my email myself, and I'm trading a free co-lo to mark perkel of junkemailfilter.com to do my filtering. between that and my time, I'd guess $50/month)

Re: Google, Gmail experiencing downtime worldwide

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Post by antonovka »

natrius wrote: post #61
modoc wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The difference is that you can know what's wrong and fix it (assuming you're able). Also, over the past 2+ years, my mail server has had less downtime than GMail, and any outages were easy for me to diagnose and fix. I like feeling in control over critical pieces of my business (at least as much as possible - I'm in no position to build my own DC for instance).

Google is a better sysadmin than I am. I assume most people are in the same boat.

This is true, but also very unfortunate, as GMail is often a poor substitute for a well-administered in-house e-mail system.

Re: Google, Gmail experiencing downtime worldwide

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Post by compay »

pbhj wrote: post #52

US date order always makes me laugh - it's like people looked at date order and thought if the day comes before the month that will be the European way, lets flip it. Then they realised that would be YYYY-mm-dd and so be ISO standard order, dang can't have that, hey lets have a mixture. I know it didn't happen this way but some sort of logical order would be good.

A logical justification could be found for any order. It's just arbitrary.

Re: Google, Gmail experiencing downtime worldwide

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Post by callahad »

pbhj wrote: post #52

US date order always makes me laugh - it's like people looked at date order and thought if the day comes before the month that will be the European way, lets flip it. Then they realised that would be YYYY-mm-dd and so be ISO standard order, dang can't have that, hey lets have a mixture. I know it didn't happen this way but some sort of logical order would be good.

I've taken to writing %d %b %Y when possible. It's unambiguous and provides sane ordering. And somehow I find it easier to map from %b to an ordinal than vice versa.
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