Show HN vs. TechCrunch vs. Product Hunt: what's most effective to launch a product • Hacker News Board

Re: Show HN vs. TechCrunch vs. Product Hunt: what's most effective to launch a product

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Post by Rapzid » Thu, Jul 03, 2014, 10:08 AM UTC

derefr wrote: post #21

nothxbro wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The way to get selected to submit or comment appears to be ryans buddy or that buddies buddy. Its a really misogynistic way to do it and minoritys and women seem to be under represented. I am sure if he chimed in here, he would say something along the lines of "We are super excited to open it up to everyone but want to do things correctly and not hurt the quality! With that in mind we are only letting a few people in…

> to be ryans buddy or that buddies buddy. Its a really misogynistic way to do it That's an odd way to say that; are you trying to say that nepotism in general is inherently misogynistic in some way? I mean, sure, Ryan's buddies are straight white dudes because Ryan is a straight white dude, and people tend to make friends with people they share culture with. But if Ryan was a gay black lady, nepotism wouldn't someho…

That would be prejudice or sexism anyway. I'm with derefr; please explain how PH's processes are characterized by the hared of women. That's a rather strong claim to be tossing around flippantly.

Re: Show HN vs. TechCrunch vs. Product Hunt: what's most effective to launch a product

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Post by arfliw » Thu, Jul 03, 2014, 10:11 AM UTC

Next please teach us how to launch and make TC, the front page of HN and the top of PH.

Most people struggle to get even get one of those. The trifecta is quit impressive.

Re: Show HN vs. TechCrunch vs. Product Hunt: what's most effective to launch a product

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Post by apidoc » Thu, Jul 03, 2014, 10:27 AM UTC

It depend on what you want.

HN/TC/... are good to show a new product to people that want to see new products. Thats it.

That did not mean that you get customers or a wider audience.

One year ago i launch http://apidocjs.com (OpenSource for RESTful API documentation), i show it to HN and got 2.500 Visitors in one day (yeah!), but the next days nearly zero.

Further development and step by step more users find their way to apiDoc -> organic growth.

Re: Show HN vs. TechCrunch vs. Product Hunt: what's most effective to launch a product

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Post by bobfunk » Thu, Jul 03, 2014, 12:44 PM UTC

viggity wrote: post #50

My product (www.machete.io) has been on both HN and PH in the past week. Its hard to measure HN because rel=nofollow => no referrer in google analytics. Also, our HN post wasn't specifically about our product, but rather a visualization of seed funding by accelerators (machete lets you easily create interactive pivot charts). PH was more focused specifically about machete. HN: ~10K sessions, 293 requests for beta acc…

A bit off-topic, but it's not the "nofollow" that leaves you with no referrer in analytics, it's SSL.

HN forces HTTPS and your page is HTTP. The browser never sends a referrer when you follow a link from an encrypted site to an unencrypted site, so you can loose quite a bit of data in analytics by not using HTTPS since more and more inbound links will be from encrypted traffic.

Add HTTPS to www.machete.io and you'll get better data.

Re: Show HN vs. TechCrunch vs. Product Hunt: what's most effective to launch a product

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Post by redm » Thu, Jul 03, 2014, 2:08 PM UTC

nothxbro wrote: post #6

Worth noting is that this was essentially number one on product hunt, above all other items. Meaning, the product hunt results shown are the absolute best result you could hope for and most users will receive a far smaller amount of visits. PH gets a bit of hype because its invite only and people assume it has a big impact, but for most folk it would be much more impactful for their launch to even be on a smaller tec…

It's also worth noting that these services do not live in a vacuum. People seeing the story on Hacker News may well have later seen the story on Techcrunch but skipped over it. I read all three websites daily so I would be counted where I simply saw the story first.

Re: Show HN vs. TechCrunch vs. Product Hunt: what's most effective to launch a product

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Post by viggity » Thu, Jul 03, 2014, 2:09 PM UTC

bobfunk wrote: post #64

viggity wrote: post #50

My product (www.machete.io) has been on both HN and PH in the past week. Its hard to measure HN because rel=nofollow => no referrer in google analytics. Also, our HN post wasn't specifically about our product, but rather a visualization of seed funding by accelerators (machete lets you easily create interactive pivot charts). PH was more focused specifically about machete. HN: ~10K sessions, 293 requests for beta acc…

A bit off-topic, but it's not the "nofollow" that leaves you with no referrer in analytics, it's SSL. HN forces HTTPS and your page is HTTP. The browser never sends a referrer when you follow a link from an encrypted site to an unencrypted site, so you can loose quite a bit of data in analytics by not using HTTPS since more and more inbound links will be from encrypted traffic. Add HTTPS to www.machete.io and you'll…

ahh.... wow. I knew that google was going to stop sending referrer info on https, but I thought that was some how optional and not the default. Thank you very much for the info, I'll have to go find a cheap cert.

Re: Show HN vs. TechCrunch vs. Product Hunt: what's most effective to launch a product

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Post by propelledjeans » Thu, Jul 03, 2014, 2:40 PM UTC

The Product Hunt results for sign ups, leads, and shares are skewed. You're pointing at a completely different part of your product (mobile).

You should be pointing at the same link across all three sources before you compare the three sources. Note: fixing this does not affect the number of links clicked, of course, but it could significantly change the number of sign ups, etc.

Re: Show HN vs. TechCrunch vs. Product Hunt: what's most effective to launch a product

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Post by return0 » Thu, Jul 03, 2014, 4:00 PM UTC

Fun, but how many products have actually "made it" from such "launches"? I think you get a small bump from "da geeks" and that's all.

Re: Show HN vs. TechCrunch vs. Product Hunt: what's most effective to launch a product

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Post by rhizome » Thu, Jul 03, 2014, 5:22 PM UTC

derefr wrote: post #21

nothxbro wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The way to get selected to submit or comment appears to be ryans buddy or that buddies buddy. Its a really misogynistic way to do it and minoritys and women seem to be under represented. I am sure if he chimed in here, he would say something along the lines of "We are super excited to open it up to everyone but want to do things correctly and not hurt the quality! With that in mind we are only letting a few people in…

> to be ryans buddy or that buddies buddy. Its a really misogynistic way to do it That's an odd way to say that; are you trying to say that nepotism in general is inherently misogynistic in some way? I mean, sure, Ryan's buddies are straight white dudes because Ryan is a straight white dude, and people tend to make friends with people they share culture with. But if Ryan was a gay black lady, nepotism wouldn't someho…

Ryan is a straight white dude, and people tend to make friends with people they share culture with.

Diversity is a cultural trait.

Re: Show HN vs. TechCrunch vs. Product Hunt: what's most effective to launch a product

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Post by aagha » Thu, Jul 03, 2014, 5:23 PM UTC

rrhoover wrote: post #32

aagha wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks for posting. I saw grasswire when it was posted on PH and immediately took to it; I think you're doing a great job with "visual news". Re your question: Overall, why not post to PH? Because, for the most part, you can't. You have to be invited to do so, making it (near?) impossible to get on unless you know someone who knows someone who already has access. What do you mean by "Almost all of the people commenti…

I (founder of PH) have the same question re: "Almost all of the people commenting on PH work for PH." You can see the list of people that are or have worked on Product Hunt on our about page ( http://www.producthunt.com/about ). ~95% of the posts and comments are submitted by people that don't "work" for Product Hunt. aagha is correct in that we've limited the number of people that can post. If anyone could post a pr…

We're working on a recommendation system so that people in the community can refer others to join the conversation

Don't you this just perpetuates the "bros" ethos? How likely is a solo entrepreneur in his mid-40's working on a web startup and plugged into the Digital Valley but unable to attend meetups in the city to get an email from someone in the community of your friends and their friends? I think the chances are low.

Perhaps you should allow people to request a membership. I tried to submit a cool startup I found to PH last week and quickly determined I couldn't. Before that, I'd been checking PH ever morning to see what was cool and out there. After not being able to participate in the community (or the conversation--you could easily moderate comments) its basically fallen off my radar and I've stopped visiting.