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Collaborative international cost-of-living index

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Re: Collaborative international cost-of-living index

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This looks very similar to http://www.numbeo.com which was also created in 2009. Is it the same data?

The creator of Expatistan here. No, it is not the same data. Both sites follow a similar principle but we do not share data.

Thank you for the site. My friends are like a little ex-pat community, using your site often to compare cities and figure out where to move next. I really like how easy is to compare the cost of living and make a decision based on data, rather than anecdotal evidence.

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Wherever numbeo and expatistan get their data, it's utterly hilarious that the summaries rank San Jose CA about the same as Valanecia/Alicante Spain. Let me just say, there is an absolutely ludicrous error somewhere.

Yes, in your interpretation what that data means.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why not open it in a open data spirit to anyone so incentivise curious people can create nice analysis whenever they feel like it?

This will result in people attempting to outcompete his site using functionally the same business model and UX but superior SEO. c.f. StackOverflow clones.

He could charge for the usage of the data.

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I'm not sure where they got their data from, but one thing stood out to me. I compared the price from Vancouver BC to Seattle WA and was surprised to say that food was cheaper in Vancouver, as Vancouverites are always coming south of the border to buy their groceries. Especially milk, which they load up on by the cart full. On this site though it says a liter of milk in Vancouver is $1.65 and a litre in the US is $2.…

I see this in the recent comparison list. Very suspect.

Cost of living in London is 16% more expensive than in New York City

Cost of living in New York City is 14% cheaper than in London

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This data is either hiding inputs or weighting the outputs inaccurately... I looked at an example of moving to Vancouver, BC from Seattle, WA.

Housing was listed as 5% favorable to Vancouver.

The sub-elements listed were as follows:

                                             Vancouver   Seattle   Variance
  Monthly rent for 85 m2 (900 Sqft)
  furnished accommodation in EXPENSIVE area     $2,301    $2,216        -4%
  Utilities 1 month (heating, electricity,
  gas ...) for 2 people in 85m2 flat               $85      $139        39%
  Internet 8MB (1 month)                           $39	     $47        17%
  40” flat screen TV                              $473      $537        12%
  Microwave, known brand, 800/900 Watt            $121      $116        -4%
  Laundry detergent (3 l. ~ 100 oz.)               $10        $8       -25%
  Hourly rate for cleaning help                    $23       $35        34%
Putting aside the fact that assets like a 40" TV are considered in "Housing Cost of Living", the weighted average for these inputs should be 1.5% favorable to Vancouver.

Take out the TV, detergent, and maid, and you're now 1% favorable to Seattle, driven strongly by rent, obviously.

This is an interesting area of work, but I'd appreciate either full disclosure of inputs and weighting or a much more simplified presentation (e.g. stand-alone rental rates).

Re: Collaborative international cost-of-living index

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I'm not sure where they got their data from, but one thing stood out to me. I compared the price from Vancouver BC to Seattle WA and was surprised to say that food was cheaper in Vancouver, as Vancouverites are always coming south of the border to buy their groceries. Especially milk, which they load up on by the cart full. On this site though it says a liter of milk in Vancouver is $1.65 and a litre in the US is $2.…

This is very consistent with my experience shopping in Van and Seattle... Meat, produce, dairy, and alcohol are all exceptionally more expensive than Stateside.

I may be biased in my priorities, but a 6-pack of decent beer costs $7-$8 USD in Washington and about $15-$16 CAD. Exchange rates are still nearly at parity. I find myself bringing a case to support the drinking habits of my Canadian friends every time I drive up... (No wonder they like it when I show up.)

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This looks very similar to http://www.numbeo.com which was also created in 2009. Is it the same data?

Well… Expatistan: "Volkswagen Golf 2.0 TDI 140 CV 6 vel. (or equivalent), with no extras, new" Numbeo: "Volkswagen Golf 1.4 90 KW Trendline (Or Equivalent New Car) " I don't know. Not the same but very close and alike. I love Numbeo and this looks eerily similar.

...but shouldn't data collected by two independent process come "very close and alike"? Otherwise we wouldn't have efficient markets.

Re: Collaborative international cost-of-living index

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I'm not sure where they got their data from, but one thing stood out to me. I compared the price from Vancouver BC to Seattle WA and was surprised to say that food was cheaper in Vancouver, as Vancouverites are always coming south of the border to buy their groceries. Especially milk, which they load up on by the cart full. On this site though it says a liter of milk in Vancouver is $1.65 and a litre in the US is $2.…

I see this in the recent comparison list. Very suspect. Cost of living in London is 16% more expensive than in New York City Cost of living in New York City is 14% cheaper than in London

What seems to be the problem here?

120 is 20% higher than 100

100 is 16.(6)% lower than 120

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