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Adblock Plus gives Facebook users a way to block its extended tracking efforts

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Re: Adblock Plus gives Facebook users a way to block its extended tracking efforts

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and to all site owners moaning about people using adblock : this is why we can't have nice things. as long as policies like this exist, I'll block anything remotely able to track me.

It is very difficult to get somebody to understand something when they have some amount of income depending on not understanding it. Of course site owners are always going to stand behind the ad-supported model of the web, even though it creates all the wrong incentives for content creators and massively degrades the user experience. And generally, degrades the very value proposition of the web. (disclaimer: I run a…

At least part of the problem is that we, as a society, have no idea how to fund the development of creative / digital works. We can't find good business models for this in general.

I agree that ad-supported is terrible. But how else? I'm hopeful for donation-crowdfunding and simple, liquid micropayment options online. But I don't know that that could significantly displace ads.

Re: Adblock Plus gives Facebook users a way to block its extended tracking efforts

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Yeah, but silent tracking in the background does not seem obstructive by their definition.

Well, it is AdBlock, not TrackingBlock. There are other extensions out there to help with that problem. Popular ones are NoScript (which improves the web in many more ways, as well) and Ghostery.

From as often as I hear people complaining on forums like HN and reddit that a linked site doesn't work due to NoScript, I would question how many people would agree that it improves the web.

Re: Adblock Plus gives Facebook users a way to block its extended tracking efforts

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Someone should make a plugin that actively sends facebook false tracking information along with your own.

I was seriously considering to make a browser plugin which would scrape pages for Google Analytics unique IDs, make a local database of them and randomly mix them up. Like this: 0. [page visited] 1. Does the page contain GA tracking ID? no: do nothing yes: add it to the database and replace it with another randomly chosen ID from the database

Wouldn't referral headers give this away? Unless you change those too of course.

Re: Adblock Plus gives Facebook users a way to block its extended tracking efforts

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post #17

Someone should make a plugin that actively sends facebook false tracking information along with your own.

I was seriously considering to make a browser plugin which would scrape pages for Google Analytics unique IDs, make a local database of them and randomly mix them up. Like this: 0. [page visited] 1. Does the page contain GA tracking ID? no: do nothing yes: add it to the database and replace it with another randomly chosen ID from the database

IDs are tightly coupled with domains, no?

Re: Adblock Plus gives Facebook users a way to block its extended tracking efforts

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It is very difficult to get somebody to understand something when they have some amount of income depending on not understanding it. Of course site owners are always going to stand behind the ad-supported model of the web, even though it creates all the wrong incentives for content creators and massively degrades the user experience. And generally, degrades the very value proposition of the web. (disclaimer: I run a…

At least part of the problem is that we, as a society, have no idea how to fund the development of creative / digital works. We can't find good business models for this in general. I agree that ad-supported is terrible. But how else? I'm hopeful for donation-crowdfunding and simple, liquid micropayment options online. But I don't know that that could significantly displace ads.

> At least part of the problem is that we, as a society, have no idea how to fund the development of creative / digital works. We can't find good business models for this in general.

Very true. This says something about how we as a society values those works and how our economic organization discourages some kinds of work/content.

Re: Adblock Plus gives Facebook users a way to block its extended tracking efforts

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Well, it is AdBlock, not TrackingBlock. There are other extensions out there to help with that problem. Popular ones are NoScript (which improves the web in many more ways, as well) and Ghostery.

From as often as I hear people complaining on forums like HN and reddit that a linked site doesn't work due to NoScript, I would question how many people would agree that it improves the web.

It's not "doesn't work due to noscript", it's "doesn't work because it requires javascript". The blame is on javascript, which degrades the web most of the time.

Re: Adblock Plus gives Facebook users a way to block its extended tracking efforts

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Well, it is AdBlock, not TrackingBlock. There are other extensions out there to help with that problem. Popular ones are NoScript (which improves the web in many more ways, as well) and Ghostery.

From as often as I hear people complaining on forums like HN and reddit that a linked site doesn't work due to NoScript, I would question how many people would agree that it improves the web.

And if more people were willing to use NoScript, forcing web designers to not make javascript a mandatory part of their content delivery, we'd all get a much more secure and private internet.

But since those web designers probably monetize their content through the same ad networks we're trying to block it seems like a catch 22.

Re: Adblock Plus gives Facebook users a way to block its extended tracking efforts

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From as often as I hear people complaining on forums like HN and reddit that a linked site doesn't work due to NoScript, I would question how many people would agree that it improves the web.

It's not "doesn't work due to noscript", it's "doesn't work because it requires javascript". The blame is on javascript, which degrades the web most of the time.

It IS "doesn't work due to noscript". Browsers come with Javascript. Websites use Javascript. The owner of the site wrote the site using Javascript because browsers support Javascript by default. You specifically turned off Javascript, even though it's a default part of the web.

You broke your experience. If you turn off your car's engine and the brakes and steering stop working, that's not the engine's fault, it's yours.

Re: Adblock Plus gives Facebook users a way to block its extended tracking efforts

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I also walk around town completely uncamouflaged, voluntarily displaying my uniquely identifiable face and whatnot, and yet somehow most businesses can still restrain themselves and do not follow me around, colluding to enable each other to videotape my every step for analytics purpose. Sure, there's some technical steps that can be taken but there's also a social or cultural dimension to what behavior is popularly a…

Do you wear an ID around your neck? Do you walk into an establishment, introduce yourself, tell the keeper where you came from, when was the last time you visited, check in with an inter-business tracking device, and then ask them to forget all that? This is what a browser with (or more appropriately, on) DNT is doing. Long way from camouflage. And offline, we should also employ techniques like randomizing MAC addres…

> Do you wear an ID around your neck? Do you walk into an establishment, introduce yourself, tell the keeper where you came from, when was the last time you visited, check in with an inter-business tracking device, and then ask them to forget all that?

Don't worry, there's a startup that's "fixing" that[0].

Nomi uses the MAC address of your phone to identify the brick-and-mortar venues you visit. It's opt-out for consumers, and the only way to opt-out is to register your MAC address with them[1].

[0] http://getnomi.com/

[1] http://nomi.com/privacy/

Re: Adblock Plus gives Facebook users a way to block its extended tracking efforts

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From as often as I hear people complaining on forums like HN and reddit that a linked site doesn't work due to NoScript, I would question how many people would agree that it improves the web.

And if more people were willing to use NoScript, forcing web designers to not make javascript a mandatory part of their content delivery, we'd all get a much more secure and private internet. But since those web designers probably monetize their content through the same ad networks we're trying to block it seems like a catch 22.

And if we were willing to block HTML, we wouldn't need color monitors.

Welcome to 2014.

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