He has a good point .. why is it "Search Google" .. the internet isn't Google, last I checked anyway.
The Internet is the web, and the web is Google. That's how it is for the vast majority of nontechnical users. It's a sad state of affairs.
Chrome's experiment of hiding the URL is awful
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Re: Chrome's experiment of hiding the URL is awful
#62Google is also working at hiding URLs/sources for Google search results (image search for example)... so it is not only a Chrome experiment
Re: Chrome's experiment of hiding the URL is awful
#63Earlier quoted context omitted.
The accept-language header is dead. It's simply ignored by every site. Some crappy sites like Origin even make it impossible to set the language to anything but German even by changing the URL directly. Google took years to even allow me to manually set everything to English, until about 1-2 years ago some settings were impossible for me to reach in English even when everything was set to English. It's just like with…
Geo-location by IP is one of most horrid abomination ever created. Try a road trip in Europe, every single day google believes I speak/read/understand a different language. If that's not bad enough, living in a country where one doesn't speak the local language basically means not using the service. Stuff like .../?hl=en may help indeed (but it has to be put manually.
Problem is a lot of site operators don't differentiate location vs. language.
As someone living in the US who speaks English and Japanese, I often get annoyed by the fact changing the language would affect feature set to match the language and vice-versa. I almost want something like ja-US and en-JP!
Re: Chrome's experiment of hiding the URL is awful
#64Earlier quoted context omitted.
The accept-language header is dead. It's simply ignored by every site. Some crappy sites like Origin even make it impossible to set the language to anything but German even by changing the URL directly. Google took years to even allow me to manually set everything to English, until about 1-2 years ago some settings were impossible for me to reach in English even when everything was set to English. It's just like with…
Geo-location by IP is one of most horrid abomination ever created. Try a road trip in Europe, every single day google believes I speak/read/understand a different language. If that's not bad enough, living in a country where one doesn't speak the local language basically means not using the service. Stuff like .../?hl=en may help indeed (but it has to be put manually.
Just go to the site: http://www.google.com/ncr
(I assume it stands for "No Country Recognition" but I'm unsure of that). Visit it once and I believe it stores a permanent cookie on your computer telling google not to re-direct you to a country specific site.
Been using it for about 10yrs now as it annoys me when I get re-directed when accessing sites over a vpn.
Re: Chrome's experiment of hiding the URL is awful
#65I can't agree at all with the author's basic premise, which makes it hard to agree with the rest of the article. >> URLs are the building blocks of the web. The web has lots of building blocks (hyperlinks, requests, the underlying protocols, HTML, and on the modern web: Javascript and XmlHttpRequest). We hide most of that implementation detail from the user because it's non-essential to the task at hand. How essentia…
> We hide most of that implementation detail from the user because it's non-essential to the task at hand. and then you have tons of security holes and bugs. Remember when browsers thought it was nice to hide loading from the user, and every site had to add "do not click submit twice" and such? what's next? one page apps relying on a share button and then having to write "do not share via the hidden URL"? ...google m…
"Do not click submit twice" isn't a side-effect of hiding loading; it's a side-effect of sites taking something that should be idempotent (a single purchasing transaction) and failing to code it to be idempotent. Nothing about the page loading UI would have prevented that issue.
Re: Chrome's experiment of hiding the URL is awful
#66What's wrong with bolding or otherwise emphasizing the TLD plus one more level of the domain? I wouldn't even mind (I would, but I'd get used to it) the url bar showing com.ycombinator.news/item?id=7694967 to avoid super long subdomains obscuring the main domain. But forcing a click to show the full uri? That's going to eat up a lot of aggregate developer time. It also does nothing to address a major problem: compani…
It sounds like you're describing SSL certificates.
Re: Chrome's experiment of hiding the URL is awful
#67What's wrong with bolding or otherwise emphasizing the TLD plus one more level of the domain? I wouldn't even mind (I would, but I'd get used to it) the url bar showing com.ycombinator.news/item?id=7694967 to avoid super long subdomains obscuring the main domain. But forcing a click to show the full uri? That's going to eat up a lot of aggregate developer time. It also does nothing to address a major problem: compani…
I suppose this is somewhat off-topic, but confusion of TLDs reminded me of the following story:
When I was still using a dumbphone I figured out that AT&T would let me sync my contacts to the web. I figured I'd try to do that to see if I could make them more manageable (by not having to edit them on a tiny screen with T9).
I searched all over the AT&T account page (att.com - where I view and pay my bills) and couldn't figure out how to access my contacts on the website. Eventually I googled enough to find out that I needed to manage contacts through att.net. That website redirected to a Yahoo page (att.yahoo.net) which didn't take the same credentials as att.com (that is, the att.com user:pass did not work), but if one was signed into the dot.com they could automatically be logged into the dot.net. It's extremely confusing.
Once logged in, I was presented with an interactive flash or heavy javascript page which, if not for the .csv import/export feature, I would find much more cumbersome than even just using the phone.
Before I managed to get logged in I clicked on numerous pages that redirected me to att.yahoo.net. Because it is labeled (and decorated) as a Yahoo webpage (and is, I assume, operated by Yahoo), I was quite confused over what credentials to use and if I was in fact at the proper website.
Re: Chrome's experiment of hiding the URL is awful
#68Earlier quoted context omitted.
Geo-location by IP is one of most horrid abomination ever created. Try a road trip in Europe, every single day google believes I speak/read/understand a different language. If that's not bad enough, living in a country where one doesn't speak the local language basically means not using the service. Stuff like .../?hl=en may help indeed (but it has to be put manually.
I am unable to recreate this problem. My Firefox sends the following Accept-Language: "en-us,en;q=0.8,sv-se;q=0.5,sv;q=0.3". When I go to Google.com in a new private browsing context, I am redirected to Google.se with English language. When I go straight to Google.se in a new private browsing context, the page is in English.
To be fair. I've just rechecked and you are right. I have the same behavior in Germany. Maybe someone is listening!
Ads though. Still in German. Not sure if that is a good thing or a bad thing. I'm even more blind to them in the wrong language. I guess that is a good thing!
Re: Chrome's experiment of hiding the URL is awful
#69Showing the URL does no harm to me.
However,
Hiding the URL makes Google's search more valuable.