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Re: Ubuntu 14.04 released

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Post by abhinavk »

keithpeter wrote: post #54
g8oz wrote: post #40

For those of you who find the Unity desktop to be an overweight example of "designer" solipsism, try out the alternative light weight desktops like Lubuntu (LXDE based) or Xubuntu (XFCE based). sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop or sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop

I think you are being downvoted because of tone rather than fact. Facts: Ubuntu desktop releases are available in a variety of 'flavours' including Lubuntu, Xubuntu and Gnome Ubuntu. The Kubuntu release has external sponsorship from Blue Systems. There is also UbuntuStudio that packages a lot of music/sound/graphics/video applications with a slightly remodelled XFCE4 UI. LTS status is limited to 3 years for the 'flav…

Kubuntu and Ubuntu Studio also get 5 years of support.

Re: Ubuntu 14.04 released

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Post by skriticos2 »

g8oz wrote: post #40

For those of you who find the Unity desktop to be an overweight example of "designer" solipsism, try out the alternative light weight desktops like Lubuntu (LXDE based) or Xubuntu (XFCE based). sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop or sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop

In fact I did that in the past weeks after being a bit weary of the Unity 8 situation. So I grabbed Debian testing and installed it. First I tried Gnome 3, then KDE and XFCE and boy, are they all ugly.

I started with Gnome 3.10 (after ignoring it for most of it's existence except once in the early time) and it failed to register simple mouse clicks in a Steam game (the firs thing I tried). It's also sluggish and ugly and hard to get anything productive done.

So I went to KDE 4.11 next. And it's as ugly as ever. The huge sound indicator at the bottom is just so ugly. And then they have what looks like a Start menu thingy to launch applications. Oh boy, that felt odd. Still miles better than Gnome 3, but nothing I'd like to see on a daily basis.

XFCE is just too bare-bone for me. It's OK in looks, but the task bars are just clumsy.

So I'm probably sticking to Ubuntu for the next LTS cycle too and see what comes of the Unity 8 desktop. Sad to see there are no real contenders.

Re: Ubuntu 14.04 released

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Post by otterley »

SkyMarshal wrote: post #59
duaneb wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How did they ship this? It's clearly an unfinished release.

Better to stick to their bi-annual schedule, even if it means shipping a usable but not-quite-polished release, then polishing it in subsequent months. The previous versions, from 12.04 to 13.10, are more than adequate for anyone who can't risk upgrading to what is effectively a beta or release candidate.

Customer: "It doesn't work!"

Project manager: "But hey, we shipped on time!"

Re: Ubuntu 14.04 released

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Post by ilyanep »

keithpeter wrote: post #50
ateevchopra wrote: post #20

Its great to see another LTS. Finally time to update 12.04 version.

Might want to wait until the first 'delta' (14.04.1) round June if you are happy with 12.04 for a few more months and your machines are used in production. Rough edges smoothed &c If it is just a personal machine, have at it, I was using the Ubuntu Gnome 14.04 beta for some weeks with no major issues.

I'm still on 12.04 LTS and haven't been paying much attention to the updates since then. Are there any huge changes in between as far as the general day-to-day experience?

Re: Ubuntu 14.04 released

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Post by keithpeter »

abhinavk wrote: post #61
keithpeter wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you are being downvoted because of tone rather than fact. Facts: Ubuntu desktop releases are available in a variety of 'flavours' including Lubuntu, Xubuntu and Gnome Ubuntu. The Kubuntu release has external sponsorship from Blue Systems. There is also UbuntuStudio that packages a lot of music/sound/graphics/video applications with a slightly remodelled XFCE4 UI. LTS status is limited to 3 years for the 'flav…

Kubuntu and Ubuntu Studio also get 5 years of support.

Excellent news, thanks, especially for UbuntuStudio. I haven't been following the detail.

Re: Ubuntu 14.04 released

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Post by ForHackernews »

What's the deal with this "Ubuntu Browser" being set as the default?

I feel like Canonical has a serious Not Invented Here problem, where they keep trying to re-invent the wheel by writing their own desktop environment, window manager, browser, startup system, etc.

Re: Ubuntu 14.04 released

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Post by vetinari »

otterley wrote: post #63
SkyMarshal wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Better to stick to their bi-annual schedule, even if it means shipping a usable but not-quite-polished release, then polishing it in subsequent months. The previous versions, from 12.04 to 13.10, are more than adequate for anyone who can't risk upgrading to what is effectively a beta or release candidate.

Customer: "It doesn't work!" Project manager: "But hey, we shipped on time!"

I'm sure that the vendor will gladly return the money paid for it.

Re: Ubuntu 14.04 released

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Post by beaumartinez »

YokoZar wrote: post #55
beaumartinez wrote: post #38

Ubuntu 14.04 comes with Python 3.4, but unfortunately, it doesn't bundle the ensurepip module (and a host of others). By the looks of things, the idea was to use Ubuntu's own packages instead[1], but it didn't make it in time. This means that pip being bundled by default—one of Python 3.4 coolest features—is missing. Trying to create a virtualenv using the bundled virtualenv module fails as well. Big mess.[2] [1] htt…

Yes, you still have to apt-get install python3-pip, just like older releases. This doesn't sound like the worst thing in the world though.

Except even then Python 3.4's bundled virtualenv module is still broken. The omission of the ensurepip module isn't an inconvenience, it breaks Python 3.4 functionality.

Re: Ubuntu 14.04 released

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Post by keithpeter »

ilyanep wrote: post #64
keithpeter wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Might want to wait until the first 'delta' (14.04.1) round June if you are happy with 12.04 for a few more months and your machines are used in production. Rough edges smoothed &c If it is just a personal machine, have at it, I was using the Ubuntu Gnome 14.04 beta for some weeks with no major issues.

I'm still on 12.04 LTS and haven't been paying much attention to the updates since then. Are there any huge changes in between as far as the general day-to-day experience?

I've not been following 14.04 desktop and the evolution of the Unity desktop closely.

Others may wish to comment with specifics here.

The main reason I (as an end user with one laptop) have moved over to Gnome based UI is LibreOffice and the ALT keyboard mnemonics.

Re: Ubuntu 14.04 released

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Post by 0x420 »

ForHackernews wrote: post #66

What's the deal with this "Ubuntu Browser" being set as the default? I feel like Canonical has a serious Not Invented Here problem, where they keep trying to re-invent the wheel by writing their own desktop environment, window manager, browser, startup system, etc.

Rebranding stuff isn't Not Invented Here syndrome. Relax. They didn't re-invent anything. It's just Firefox with a few patches for integrating with their desktop environment. Plus, they gave up on their startup system. They'll be switching to systemd in future releases.
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