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Tesla Model S – Cost of Ownership vs. Honda Odyssey
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Re: Tesla Model S – Cost of Ownership vs. Honda Odyssey
#62What's up with the font on this site? In Google Chrome on Windows 7 it's nearly unreadable. Most of the internal horizontal strokes are just missing from the letters.
I haven't used Windows for close to a year, but last time I used Chrome on Windows 7 the font rendering was horrible more often than not. Especially blogs, they often want to have their own look with some web font (which then tells google exactly who is visiting the site -- but whatever). They always rendered horrible and I complained about it to a few sites, which then changed it, but complaining to individuals doesn't scale of course.
Re: Tesla Model S – Cost of Ownership vs. Honda Odyssey
#63Earlier quoted context omitted.
For some reason I can't quite put my finger on I have been viewing everything that comes out of Tesla with skepticism and distrust. I think it started with the attempt to confuse people with "creative" financing options. I know it is a good company. I was waiting for them to revolutionize the SUV market with a true sports-utility electric vehicle. I would have been in line to buy one. Instead they are putting out a b…
> Instead they are putting out a bullshit Gucci gull-wing contraption that is a total let-down. What's a let-down about it? Legitimately curious.
As a potential Model X buyer, I hate the idea of those doors.
I currently drive a Subaru Outback and would be replacing it with a Model X so I could cart myself and some friends for weekend skiing or surfing trips.
Unless I'm missing something, the gullwing doors preclude a roof rack, which is a deal breaker for me.
Re: Tesla Model S – Cost of Ownership vs. Honda Odyssey
#64As a potential Model X buyer, I hate the idea of those doors.
I currently drive a Subaru Outback and would be replacing it with a Model X so I could cart myself and some friends for weekend skiing or surfing trips.
Unless I'm missing something, the gullwing doors preclude a roof rack, which is a deal breaker for me.
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#65I'm skeptical of his estimated electricity cost; as a Bay Area resident, $0.12/kwh seemed low, so at first I thought he might be in an area of the country with lower energy costs, but he states he's actually in Silicon Valley. I'm not sure how his particular usage and rates compare, but the rates for my most recent PG&E bill are as follows: $0.13627 for the first 487.20 kWh $0.15491 for the next 146.6 kWh $0.31949 fo…
I'm skeptical of his estimated electricity cost; as a Bay Area resident, $0.12/kwh seemed low, so at first I thought he might be in an area of the country with lower energy costs, but he states he's actually in Silicon Valley.
Maybe he lives in Alameda?
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#66Just to throw some maintenance numbers out there since I happen to own a 2003 Odyssey with over 170k miles and I've kept track of the costs in a spreadsheet. So far I've spent just under $10k in maintenance. The big annoying charge was ~ $4200 at 110k miles in 2010. The transmission failed, so this charge was for a Honda remanufactured transmission and PCM, plus the 105k maintenance (new timing belt). The other signi…
Isn't that early for the transmission to fail?
Yes, but not uncommon for that generation:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_Odyssey_(North_America)#T...
I probably won't purchase a Honda again.
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#67Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's an excellent point but I would just temper it with the fact EVs should have lower long term maintenance issues for all non-battery parts. As an aside, I wonder if in 5 years you will be able to upgrade into a more powerful battery.
Whenever I'm sitting around waiting for oil change/tuneup/etc for my 2 cars in the family, I am tempted to look into Tesla. Having to sacrifice a Sat/car every few months for oil change really bugs me. Of course oil change itself is quick and cheap, but it’s the time I have to spend. EDIT: I should've clarified that I don't spend a WHOLE Sat for a car oil change. But for a 30min work on the car, you have to go there,…
"you have to go there, wait to drop off car, listen to dealership clerk going on and on about expensive 'preventive' repair I should get (any my family friend mechanic tells me none needed), wait a few hours (because of other customers at same dealership), and get a ride back dealership to pick up the car. That's like 2-5hrs."
What kind of car do you drive now?
At the cost of a Tesla you can buy a BMW (for less actually) and get a loaner and none of the up sell.
Because there isn't any up sell when they are covering all the maintenance including even windshield wipers. And definitely oil changes. And brakes.
So don't compare the experience of buying a luxury car to one where you have to sit and wait and deal with what you are referring to. And get shuttled back and forth.
Afaik last I checked mini dealers (owned by BMW) also offer loaners and cover all service programs.
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#68I'm skeptical of his estimated electricity cost; as a Bay Area resident, $0.12/kwh seemed low, so at first I thought he might be in an area of the country with lower energy costs, but he states he's actually in Silicon Valley. I'm not sure how his particular usage and rates compare, but the rates for my most recent PG&E bill are as follows: $0.13627 for the first 487.20 kWh $0.15491 for the next 146.6 kWh $0.31949 fo…
He is also not taking into account the transmission fee for each kWh. For me that is 7 cents per kWh which takes my electricity from 12 cents to 19 cents.
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#69I plugged some more realistic values into Tesla's TCO page and it still is way more expensive than what the 14 year old Toyota I drive :-) http://www.teslamotors.com/true-cost-of-ownership
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#70Earlier quoted context omitted.
>> The Honda Odyssey has some of the cheapest insurance of any car. That depends on where you live. I've been told that my insurance rates (clean record) are high for my 2005 Odyssey because of the area I live in (I live just outside of Toronto, Canada).
High for just the Odyssey or higher for all cars in and around Toronto? Collision insurance is usually based on the cost of parts and service. I would be surprised if the Tesla came in cheaper.
For all cars, I would imagine.
My original point wasn't so much that the Odyssey was cheaper than the Tesla for insurance, but a counterpoint to the idea that the Odyssey is one of the cheapest cars to insure around.
I pay more than most of the people I know for insurance, and I have had a clean driving record for almost two decades, with no claims for over a decade. I'm also supposed to be in a lower risk category by driving a minivan and being over 40.