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Rare 'goat-sheep' born on Irish farm

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Re: Rare 'goat-sheep' born on Irish farm

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> the farmer said he was not planning to send the geep for slaughter I'm ignorant about most things farm-related, but maybe someone knows what rules apply to meat coming from unusual mixes? I assume it's harmless to eat it, but would it be legal to sell?

My first thought was, "I hope it isn't sterile." If goat/sheep hybrids are this rare then a fertile "bridge" (even in one direction) would be of some scientific (and agricultural) interest.

Food is a distant second...

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How closely related are the two species. Hybrids between species of horses and cats are common. Same for canines. But it didn't occur to me that wheels and goats are that closely related

> Hybrids between species of horses and cats are common. I was really confused for a second there.

The super rare Hat.

Re: Rare 'goat-sheep' born on Irish farm

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> the farmer said he was not planning to send the geep for slaughter I'm ignorant about most things farm-related, but maybe someone knows what rules apply to meat coming from unusual mixes? I assume it's harmless to eat it, but would it be legal to sell?

My first thought was, "I hope it isn't sterile." If goat/sheep hybrids are this rare then a fertile "bridge" (even in one direction) would be of some scientific (and agricultural) interest. Food is a distant second...

It's almost certainly sterile. Look at what happens to mules, and horses and donkeys appear to have diverged closer in time than goats and sheep.

Re: Rare 'goat-sheep' born on Irish farm

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I believe GP meant canine (wolves and dogs) and felines (tiger and lion) which interbreed "frequently".

Wolves and dogs are the same species too, AFAIK

They have the same genus (Canis), but their species are different.

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The champion of the theory attributes the lack of genomic similarity to repeated back-crossing to one of the parent populations. To put it in other words, the droplet of initial hybridization got diluted in the larger gene pool, but the novel genes (and thus traits) remained and underwent selection. That being said, diluted gene contribution is not the same thing as no gene contribution. To even begin accepting such…

I saw that claim in the article, yes. I'll admit that I don't know enough about genetics to make strong claims here, but it doesn't sound remotely plausible to me. He wants to simultaneously claim that 1) hominids got so much porcine DNA that they have lots of substantial, recognizable anatomical features as a result, and 2) hominids have so little porcine DNA that it's all but invisible in our genetic code. I'm not…

In general I agree with you, it's an extraordinary claim with less than extraordinary proof to put it mildy. However I thought I'd make one small correction on your genetics.

> most genetic inheritance happens one full chromosome at a time.

is actually not true. Sperm and eggs have only one copy of each chromosome instead of two like most cells in the body. However, that one chromosome is a pretty good mixture of the versions received from each parent due to recombination events that occur randomly during maturation of those cell types. Linkage between nearby genes does exist, but it's not nearly so strong as you seem to imply. Even in a single generation inheritance of two genes on either end of the same chromosome is nearly uncorrelated.

Re: Rare 'goat-sheep' born on Irish farm

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@lacero - you are hell-banned

Lacero is not "hell-banned" or any other kind of banned. Lacero's comment came from an IP that had been caught by a spam filter. I just unbanned the IP and unkilled the relevant comments. Please don't claim things on or about Hacker News that you can't possibly know are true. Concerns about dead comments and anything else about HN can be sent to hn@ycombinator.com. Edit: I deleted things that were too harsh.

Using florid vocabulary doesn't legitimize your heavy-handed slap on the wrist to eps, who was, however misunderstood -- trying to help a fellow user. The pg way was to just state what needed to be said and do what needed to be done, not make examples out of innocent people.

Shame on you, Daniel.

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Goat and a sheep? that's disgusting... just totally inhumane for farmers to allow something so horrible to happen... I'm really worried about the future of the human society, what next? a dog and a cat? a human being and a chimpanzee? bunch of perverted maniacs deface what it means to be human, to be pure beings under name of Jesus Christ, we should all repent for our sins to the lord and the savior who created us 60…

Love it! I started to get pissed off at the beginning then as I read I started to laugh out loud! As a farmer Ireland, I was really surprised to see this on here. It was like taking a coffee break from work!

Yeah! HN is too sensible and having just migrated from /. I want some ignorance, indignation and quotes from Our Lord in the comments to warm up my day.

Not even kidding! :D

Re: Rare 'goat-sheep' born on Irish farm

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Humans and gorillas? What about our ancestors and those of pigs? I found this hypothesis fascinating: "A chimp-pig hybrid origin for humans?" http://phys.org/news/2013-07-chimp-pig-hybrid-humans.html from the article: " I asked McCarthy if he could give a date estimate for the hybridization event, he said that there are a couple broad possibilities: (1) It might be that hybridization between pigs and apes produced th…

That's one of the most ridiculous things I've ever read. We've done genetic studies on humans and apes, and we share some huge fraction of our genome with them (99%+, right?). It's quite telling that in this era of abundant genetic data, this guy bases all of his arguments on anatomical similarities and says nothing about genetics. It's all but impossible that a link like what he's suggesting would have been overlook…

Eventually though, sufficient data will fall from the collisions between example-fed discussion and informed search to deliver an elevated consensus. One particular approach recommended McCarthy is in silico chromosome painting of the human genome with random pig and chimp sequences in an effort to find hotspots of similarity to pig.

http://phys.org/news/2013-07-human-hybrids-closer-theory-evi...

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