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European Parliament passes net neutrality law

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Re: European Parliament passes net neutrality law

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This doesn't extend to protecting illegal acts from interference.

By that logic ISPs could throttle or block torrenting or Bitcoin if they are "illegal" in some country.

Sure, what's the problem? If it's illegal, it's illegal. The blame is on the people if they let their governments ban BT.

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I think the EU is getting an amazing amount of work done, if you consider that it consists of 28 nation states which went to war with each other regularly for centuries up to a couple of decades ago...

And some of them are still culturally at war ;) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denmark%E2%80%93Sweden_relation...

Did you mean...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurovision_Song_Contest

Re: European Parliament passes net neutrality law

#63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This doesn't extend to protecting illegal acts from interference.

By that logic ISPs could throttle or block torrenting or Bitcoin if they are "illegal" in some country.

That is correct. In The Netherlands we already have net neutrality, but this hasn't stopped the Pirate Bay from being blocked. However, try to prove to a judge the entire protocol is illegal and should be blocked.

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Here's a kind of sickening statement: '"Europe's telecoms operators are facing decreasing revenues ... compared with operators in the U.S. and Asia," said the GSM Association, an industry group for mobile phone companies. In a statement signed by director Anne Bouverot, the group said European laws are "impairing their ability to invest in the infrastructure required to put Europe back on the path to growth and jobs.…

Yeah, someone seriously needs to whip their greedy arses.

I guess we need even more competition to drive these dinosaurs a bit out of business.

It's the USA and ASIA that should follow Europe, not the other way around.

Re: European Parliament passes net neutrality law

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Come on, that's a silly thing to say, everyone's empires were significantly dismantled after WW2. It's easy not to fight when there's nothing to fight over and you've got a massive bear beating at the door. I'm not claiming the EU's done nothing, I think it's made Europe richer, increased growth, etc., I'm claiming the EU had nothing to do with peace in Europe. Europe would still be at peace today with or without a c…

Which developed nations have gone to war with each other since WW2? Argentina / UK for one. And the Balkan conflicts for two.

The Balkans was a Yugoslavia civil war at its heart.

I give you the Argentina/UK one, but that seriously almost didn't happen. And is really one of the last, thorny, vestiges of colonialism, like Israel.

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Here's a kind of sickening statement: '"Europe's telecoms operators are facing decreasing revenues ... compared with operators in the U.S. and Asia," said the GSM Association, an industry group for mobile phone companies. In a statement signed by director Anne Bouverot, the group said European laws are "impairing their ability to invest in the infrastructure required to put Europe back on the path to growth and jobs.…

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Re: European Parliament passes net neutrality law

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They're still allowed to have premium channels for their TV service and such. Isn't that not very "net neutrality"-like?

TV is not internet. You can run TV over internet, but that's a service being provided over the internet. TV has never been a universal access medium.

Re: European Parliament passes net neutrality law

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From first reading, this makes it look as if ISPs will be unable to offer eg elevated weighting to specific VoIP traffic unless that's offered by the ISP themselves. I want my VoIP trunks to my exchange to have better QoS than my Skype chats. I'm not convinced this is a good thing.

Do you want your VoIP to have higher QoS than my Skype? In which case that's a problem.

Re: European Parliament passes net neutrality law

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Here's a kind of sickening statement: '"Europe's telecoms operators are facing decreasing revenues ... compared with operators in the U.S. and Asia," said the GSM Association, an industry group for mobile phone companies. In a statement signed by director Anne Bouverot, the group said European laws are "impairing their ability to invest in the infrastructure required to put Europe back on the path to growth and jobs.…

TeliaSonera: 1.69 billion euros in profit out of a 2.99 billion euro revenue (2013)

I'm having trouble believing those numbers. I found a source that agrees with you [1] but Bloomberg charts show only a ~10% profit margin. [2] I wonder if the reporter in [1] confused annual revenue with quarterly revenue from this Bloomberg article. [3]

EDIT: The reporter in [1] isn't wrong, but people misreading the first paragraph is probably the source of the confusion spreading across the Internet. Read down a few paragraphs and they compare 4th quarter net profit to 4th quarter revenue, which is roughly 10%.

Also, here is the profit & loss statement from 2013. [4] Annual revenue is about 104 billion kronor, net income is about 15 billion kronor.

[1] http://www.thelocal.se/20140130/beleaguered-teliasonera-took...

[2] http://www.bloomberg.com/quote/TLSN:SS

[3] http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-01-30/teliasonera-profit-...

[4] http://markets.ft.com/research/Markets/Tearsheets/Financials...

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