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Re: Status IE – IE's feature status and plans

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Post by stupidcar »

giovannibajo1 wrote: post #59

I would like to know from the IE team if there's a specific plan to fix the browser update issue, that is the fact that IE is by far the slower browser when it comes to user upgrades. It's exciting to see features in IE1x+, but we all know that those will be a tiny fraction of users for a long time. I think that gaining consensus in developers' mindset goes through forcing updates like Chrome and Firefox do; don't ca…

Your info is out of date, as they have already fixed the browser update issue. Modern IE will automatically upgrade when new versions are released - you can see this by looking at the adoption rates for IE9 -> 10 -> 11.

However, there are still a lot of users on IE8 and below, which did not have auto updating. As people gradually migrate away from these legacy versions and get onto the evergreen track, then the situation should improve until IE's overall upgrade rates match those of Firefox and Chrome.

Re: Status IE – IE's feature status and plans

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Post by AshleysBrain »

stupidcar wrote: post #61
giovannibajo1 wrote: post #59

I would like to know from the IE team if there's a specific plan to fix the browser update issue, that is the fact that IE is by far the slower browser when it comes to user upgrades. It's exciting to see features in IE1x+, but we all know that those will be a tiny fraction of users for a long time. I think that gaining consensus in developers' mindset goes through forcing updates like Chrome and Firefox do; don't ca…

Your info is out of date, as they have already fixed the browser update issue. Modern IE will automatically upgrade when new versions are released - you can see this by looking at the adoption rates for IE9 -> 10 -> 11. However, there are still a lot of users on IE8 and below, which did not have auto updating. As people gradually migrate away from these legacy versions and get onto the evergreen track, then the situa…

I don't see how this is fixed. According to StatCounter, IE shares are: IE8 6.7%, IE9 3.8%, IE10 4.0%, IE11 9.0%. IE10 is supposed to have an "install new versions automatically" option and yet still has close to half the share of IE11, and IE8+IE9 share is still greater than IE11 share.

Re: Status IE – IE's feature status and plans

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Post by tracker1 »

cpncrunch wrote: post #37
derefr wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Those two things are... orthogonal? WebRTC is a transport for media and data streams, which looks somewhat like SCTP-over-DTLS-over-UDP. getUserMedia is a way to get a stream which can then be sent over a transport.

Not quite - getUserMedia is one part of WebRTC. If you use the 'full' WebRTC (i.e. RTCPeerConnection), you're tied into a certain architecture, which isn't generally useful if you already have a server architecture. getUserMedia is more useful in general for developing web conferencing solutions IMO. I think a lot of browser developers (Safari/IE) are baulking at implementing google's WebRTC. I would hope they would…

I think the proposed changes are akin to the WebSQL early on, vs. IndexedDB stuff we wound up with. I think it just comes down to people looking at WebRTC and its' short comings as well as the earlier MS/IE proposals, and coming up with something that's probably better moving forward. It sucks in terms of actually getting next gen apps out... I want my Skype killer!

Re: Status IE – IE's feature status and plans

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Post by tracker1 »

grn wrote: post #54

You can also download Virtual Box VMs with different versions of IE http://modern.ie/en-us/virtualization-tools#downloads . Indispensable when developing on Linux!

I wish they'd link the VMWare VMs for other OSes... They're available under the Linux option iirc, which works fine for windows/mac.

Re: Status IE – IE's feature status and plans

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Post by agapos »

jakub_g wrote: post #57
AdamTReineke wrote: post #2

Chrome's dashboard: http://www.chromestatus.com

Does someone know if there's there something similar for Firefox available / planned? The best I can think of is googling for release notes for current beta/aurora [1][2] for "coming soon" but it lacks long term things. [1] https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/29.0beta/releasenotes/ [2] https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/30.0a2/auroranotes/

Maybe these:

https://wiki.mozilla.org/Platform/2014-Q1-Goals

https://wiki.mozilla.org/Platform/2014-Q2-Goals

https://wiki.mozilla.org/2014

Edit: forgot this one: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/Firefox/Releases

Re: Status IE – IE's feature status and plans

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Post by Amezarak »

AshleysBrain wrote: post #62
stupidcar wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your info is out of date, as they have already fixed the browser update issue. Modern IE will automatically upgrade when new versions are released - you can see this by looking at the adoption rates for IE9 -> 10 -> 11. However, there are still a lot of users on IE8 and below, which did not have auto updating. As people gradually migrate away from these legacy versions and get onto the evergreen track, then the situa…

I don't see how this is fixed. According to StatCounter, IE shares are: IE8 6.7%, IE9 3.8%, IE10 4.0%, IE11 9.0%. IE10 is supposed to have an "install new versions automatically" option and yet still has close to half the share of IE11, and IE8+IE9 share is still greater than IE11 share.

I thought the "install new versions automatically" checkbox simply meant that new Internet Explorer updates were installed along with automatic Windows updates, where before they were optional.

If so, aside from enterprise, there's (sadly)a significant fraction of home users that turn off automatic Windows updates because they regard them as a hassle.

Re: Status IE – IE's feature status and plans

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Post by ZeroGravitas »

dave1010uk wrote: post #53

I see WebP but no mention of WebM video at the moment. Any reason it's not there?

If they do add that, they should specify VP8 and/or VP9 and/or Vorbis and/or Opus rather than just WebM.

The Opus audio codec, which was co-developed by Microsoft subsidiary Skype, would be useful both for WebRTC, and the alternative Microsoft favours, ObjectRTC.

VP8 and Opus both get mentioned in passing in the ObjectRTC spec that I found, but I don't know if they have the same status as in WebRTC (mandatory for Opus, optional for VP8)

Re: Status IE – IE's feature status and plans

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Post by agapos »

jakub_g wrote: post #58

Semi-related for cross-browser ES6 compat: http://kangax.github.io/es5-compat-table/es6/ Shows future versions of Firefox and Chrome but not yet IE.

Future versions of Fx and Chr are available constantly (on multiple channels at different stages), what is not the case with IE.

Re: Status IE – IE's feature status and plans

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Post by dasmoth »

giovannibajo1 wrote: post #59

I would like to know from the IE team if there's a specific plan to fix the browser update issue, that is the fact that IE is by far the slower browser when it comes to user upgrades. It's exciting to see features in IE1x+, but we all know that those will be a tiny fraction of users for a long time. I think that gaining consensus in developers' mindset goes through forcing updates like Chrome and Firefox do; don't ca…

IE seems no worse than Safari in this respect. Maybe better actually -- those who can't update their OS for some reason remain stuck with Safari 6.1
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