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Weev Needs To Walk

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Re: Weev Needs To Walk

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> and intentionally keep them vague enough that if someone gets out of line we can lock them up. (Is this a joke? I honestly can't tell.) That may be what you'd expect in a despotic regime, but in a free country (which is what the US aspires to be), laws cannot be vague, and vagueness is grounds for a law to be found unconstitutional on its face. Individuals must have adequate notice as to what conduct constitutes a…

Our prisons are primarily filled with unpopular people. We tend to refer to them as minorities. Some specific examples off the top of my head of intentionally vague law is when there's purely subjective decisions as to whether a crime is just a "regular" crime or a "hate crime." There also seems to be a lot of ambiguity around what exactly constitutes copyright infringement or the legal vs illegal varieties of hackin…

Agreed, our prisons are full of unpopular people (though that's kind of circular, because being in prison makes you unpopular).

Good point about minorities, though that's largely because of uneven enforcement of laws (e.g. blacks tend to receive harsher sentences, and are more likely to be busted for minor drug use) and arbitrary laws that are more likely to affect them (e.g. crack cocaine being treated way more harshly than powder cocain). It's not because the laws are vague (not to imply that that makes this acceptable) since vagueness is way for a law to be struck down. For example, vagueness is one of the primary arguments being made in Weev's case against the CFAA. (Don't know enough about hate crimes to comment, and copyright infringement is mainly a civil, not criminal, matter.)

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When a prosecutor is not only technically illiterate, but proud of their illiteracy, they should be disbarred. By that logic, when a programmer is illiterate with regards to the law, they should be barred from programming forever if they make an app/SaaS/whatever that breaks any law, any where, for whatever reason. Prosecutors, especially US Attorneys, are self-aggrandizing, attention-seeking political whores, but te…

>> By that logic, when a programmer is illiterate with regards to the law, they should be barred from programming forever if they make an app/SaaS/whatever that breaks any law, any where, for whatever reason. a lawyer exists to defend and interpret law. which this guy is arguably incapable of, given his elementary knowledge of really simple technical principles. that is not the job of a software engineer. i'm not sur…

You're mixing up the two meanings of technical.

It is not a lawyer's job to understand technology; it is the lawyer's job to understand the law. The lawyer understood the law and the technicalities of the law just fine--the problem is that he admits that he may not understand some, most, or all of the technology at issue in weev's case.

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>> By that logic, when a programmer is illiterate with regards to the law, they should be barred from programming forever if they make an app/SaaS/whatever that breaks any law, any where, for whatever reason. a lawyer exists to defend and interpret law. which this guy is arguably incapable of, given his elementary knowledge of really simple technical principles. that is not the job of a software engineer. i'm not sur…

You're mixing up the two meanings of technical. It is not a lawyer's job to understand technology; it is the lawyer's job to understand the law . The lawyer understood the law and the technicalities of the law just fine--the problem is that he admits that he may not understand some, most, or all of the technology at issue in weev's case.

how can one understand a technical law without a basic understanding of the technology?

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> I don’t even understand what they are. Should a prosecutor be allowed to prosecute a case if he doesn't understand the actions taken by the prosecuted? How can he be sure that a crime has been commited? > He had to download the entire iOS system I guess the prosecutor has downloaded the entire iOS system to his Iphone. I guess he doesn't know that he has done that.

This hack didn't rely on doing anything with iOS other than sniffing the traffic iOS sent to AT&T. I think what they were attempting to say was that Xcode's iOS simulator may've been employed. Another interesting fact: weev did not actually write or run the script that harvested the data, or talk to AT&T's servers. That was all Daniel "JacksonBrown" Spitler, who was sentenced to 18 months of probation. weev simply sh…

I just did the same attack using WeevTech against att servers. Witness: picture of a 32gb iphone https://2.ecom.attccc.com/catalog/en/skus/images/apple-iphon...

Re: Weev Needs To Walk

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The article conveniently leaves out that he was convicted on one count of identify fraud in addition to the CFAA count: http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/11/att-hacker-found-gu... , by a jury. If it had just been the CFAA count, he would've gotten just a misdemeanor.

You conveniently leave out that "identity fraud" was setting his browser User Agent string to say "iPad". Which Safari does, via the "Develop" menu, right out of the box. This distinction is meaningless and laughable.

shit so when I use the '-U' on wget I am also committing identity fraud? Did gnu set me up for this? If I call something a spade which clearly not a spade, am I committing identity fraud? I am so confused now.

Re: Weev Needs To Walk

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I take it as a sign that our court systems are failing when a judge can jail someone for crimes that has admitted to not even understanding. Whether he's a good guy or not, that's ridiculous.
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