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YC startups unite to drive nail into the coffin of Internet Explorer 6

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Re: YC startups unite to drive nail into the coffin of Internet Explorer 6

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from the comments: You do realize that a large portion of people that are using IE6 are at work where they have NO control over the browser... i hear this every time the ie6 argument comes up, and yet, i've never heard from someone that actually works in one of these IT departments that can vouch for this. who are these unsympathetic robots who, while ironically working in an IT department, are so out of touch with t…

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Re: YC startups unite to drive nail into the coffin of Internet Explorer 6

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Sometimes the question isn't even "do we spend time and money to update our applications", because sometimes the code for the applications is long gone, along with the company that wrote it, and all they have left is the compiled code running on some server in a back closet.

Couldn't they install Firefox, then, and use IE6 for legacy apps?

hell, back when I used to work for more restrictive companies I was still able to download the zip version of firefox, unzip it into ~mydocuments, and run it from there.

Re: YC startups unite to drive nail into the coffin of Internet Explorer 6

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post #6

from the comments: You do realize that a large portion of people that are using IE6 are at work where they have NO control over the browser... i hear this every time the ie6 argument comes up, and yet, i've never heard from someone that actually works in one of these IT departments that can vouch for this. who are these unsympathetic robots who, while ironically working in an IT department, are so out of touch with t…

http://blog.digg.com/?p=878 Digg surveyed IE6 users. 76% of those surveyed DO NOT HAVE THE POWER/AUTHORITY/ABILITY to upgrade. "Giving them a message saying, “Hey! Upgrade!” in this case is not only pointless; it’s sadistic. We’re committed to developing to Web standards and building new ways to help you discover the best of the Web. Keeping an eye on what technologies folks use and why they’re being used is a big pa…

I posted an eerily similar comment 2 minutes after yours (minus the yelling). I also found the digg survey quite revealing.

Re: YC startups unite to drive nail into the coffin of Internet Explorer 6

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Isn't just about everyone left using IE6 a corporate user whose employer won't let them upgrade? While I'd love to see the death of IE6 & 7 as much as anyone, I think most people using IE6 probably have firewalls that block Reddit and Justin.tv.

On the other hand, this certainly cannot hurt.

Re: YC startups unite to drive nail into the coffin of Internet Explorer 6

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post #6

from the comments: You do realize that a large portion of people that are using IE6 are at work where they have NO control over the browser... i hear this every time the ie6 argument comes up, and yet, i've never heard from someone that actually works in one of these IT departments that can vouch for this. who are these unsympathetic robots who, while ironically working in an IT department, are so out of touch with t…

http://blog.digg.com/?p=878 Digg surveyed IE6 users. 76% of those surveyed DO NOT HAVE THE POWER/AUTHORITY/ABILITY to upgrade. "Giving them a message saying, “Hey! Upgrade!” in this case is not only pointless; it’s sadistic. We’re committed to developing to Web standards and building new ways to help you discover the best of the Web. Keeping an eye on what technologies folks use and why they’re being used is a big pa…

The Digg survey shows that 70% of IE6 users are corporate, but there's no indication how representative that is of the web as a whole.

Either way, this initiative is targeted straight at those users. We've heard from several sources that many corporate IT departments don't feel any need or urgency to upgrade, and receive very few complaints. We see this as a start -- the more complaints the IT department gets (especially from on top), the more pressure they'll feel to upgrade. Even if they can't upgrade IE 6 due to legacy applications, they could always install a version of Firefox side-by-side and only use IE 6 for the legacy apps.

For the other subset of IE6 users (moms, grandmothers, etc), this will be a great notice to let them know that their web experience is seriously degraded, and that they should strongly consider upgrading their web browser.

Re: YC startups unite to drive nail into the coffin of Internet Explorer 6

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IE6 is still very prevalent in the American school system (don't know about elsewhere). We used to sell a web product to schools and you wouldn't believe the number of districts using IE6 for "compatibility" with their network software or because they don't consider upgrading a priority.

One of my co-founders has been a public school teacher for the last 20 years or so. She says that the school system's primary function is to give America's least competent individuals a way to stay in the middle class.

While that's true, it's beside the point. All the public schools I've been to do not have an `IT Department', the computers there were just installed in a fire-and-forget manner. Often the school district has some people who are supposed to be in charge of it, but they don't come around very often, and honestly don't have the time, money, or manpower to set up something sane.

Re: YC startups unite to drive nail into the coffin of Internet Explorer 6

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http://blog.digg.com/?p=878 Digg surveyed IE6 users. 76% of those surveyed DO NOT HAVE THE POWER/AUTHORITY/ABILITY to upgrade. "Giving them a message saying, “Hey! Upgrade!” in this case is not only pointless; it’s sadistic. We’re committed to developing to Web standards and building new ways to help you discover the best of the Web. Keeping an eye on what technologies folks use and why they’re being used is a big pa…

The Digg survey shows that 70% of IE6 users are corporate, but there's no indication how representative that is of the web as a whole. Either way, this initiative is targeted straight at those users. We've heard from several sources that many corporate IT departments don't feel any need or urgency to upgrade, and receive very few complaints. We see this as a start -- the more complaints the IT department gets (especi…

Really not trying to be snarky here, but I don't think too many grandmothers are using weebly or reading reddit.

Re: YC startups unite to drive nail into the coffin of Internet Explorer 6

#68
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This is the biggest example I've seen of the network of YC alumni organizing to do something. YC itself didn't organize this or even know about it. I've been looking forward to seeing what this type of network can do that a traditionally hierarchically structured organization can't.

I dunno, Google seems to have beaten them to the punch and no matter their culture, I'd still call them a traditionally hierarchically structured organization

Re: YC startups unite to drive nail into the coffin of Internet Explorer 6

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Unfortunately, there are a huge number of corporate environments that have virtually no reason to upgrade their browsing platforms. Many of these environments don't even really have a technical reason to not do the upgrade, they are just administered by overworked staff and upgrading IE6 to something newer and safer is just at the bottom of the list. The bottom line is that until the end users who have to use IE6 eve…

One of my clients ships software to such an organization - several of our users had IE6 installed when Training day rolled around. Interestingly, rather than going through Tech Support to request an upgrade to IE7 (which takes a while), the users opted to just download Firefox.

Re: YC startups unite to drive nail into the coffin of Internet Explorer 6

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Digg survey shows that 70% of IE6 users are corporate, but there's no indication how representative that is of the web as a whole. Either way, this initiative is targeted straight at those users. We've heard from several sources that many corporate IT departments don't feel any need or urgency to upgrade, and receive very few complaints. We see this as a start -- the more complaints the IT department gets (especi…

Really not trying to be snarky here, but I don't think too many grandmothers are using weebly or reading reddit.

Sorry, there may not be too many grandmothers reading reddit, but our userbase is very much non-technical.
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