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Re: Inside the Billion-Dollar Hacker Club

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As an aside, do anyone here still use IRC regularly? It seems some open source projects have permanent channels, but I don't know how active these are. Haven't really used IRC since the mid-90s, but perhaps it's a good way to connect to other developers? Is there a representative YC channel?

I think the only time I haven't been on IRC since I discovered it in 1991 is the 5 years I spent in prison :)

For an IRC-related crime?

Re: Inside the Billion-Dollar Hacker Club

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As an aside, do anyone here still use IRC regularly? It seems some open source projects have permanent channels, but I don't know how active these are. Haven't really used IRC since the mid-90s, but perhaps it's a good way to connect to other developers? Is there a representative YC channel?

It's been invaluable to me in keeping up with the cryptocurrency scene the last year or two.

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2000 words of post-hoc fallacy about an IRC channel. We're discussing here a group of people who started their careers dead smack in the middle of the dot-com bubble, practically all of them in software/network security, a field that has stayed valuable since its inception. Of course they've done well for themselves. This would be interesting if the denizens of #w00w00 had, say, invested in each other's companies. Bu…

Really I think it's just safe to say that anyone who was on irc in the late 90s probably had their career benefit from it. #winprog got me my first job at the tail of the boom (and I did terribly at it) and that definitely wasn't a 'scene' kind of channel (ridiculous Wired article aside), but I definitely still have a certain kind of fraternity with the other people I occupied that space with (in a different channel, as well as semi-regular real life meetings, now) and a lot of those people have gone on to do great stuff.

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As an aside, do anyone here still use IRC regularly? It seems some open source projects have permanent channels, but I don't know how active these are. Haven't really used IRC since the mid-90s, but perhaps it's a good way to connect to other developers? Is there a representative YC channel?

I use it in a very limited capacity of keeping in touch with people I knew in the 90s on IRC. But I drop out of doing even that every now and then when I need to focus on other things, because IRC tends to be a drag on my productivity sometimes.

I also try to sit in freenode channels that intersect my interests, but I'm not anywhere near as active in them as I was back in the day. But that's where all the good developer-related channels are now.

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1/2 of my full time employment opportunities came from other w00w00 members. I was also a member of ADM.

I was 17 and managing servers during the first dotcom boom when you needed more than just smarts to create a startup. You needed a boatload of VC money.

If w00w00 was formed in present day, half of us would have been funded by YC. We were just smart and young people at the start of this internet thing. Not surprising we went on to make internet companies.

This article does leave out a lot of people and includes someone that shouldn't be included.

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As an aside, do anyone here still use IRC regularly? It seems some open source projects have permanent channels, but I don't know how active these are. Haven't really used IRC since the mid-90s, but perhaps it's a good way to connect to other developers? Is there a representative YC channel?

Freenode is still heavily used and is worth frequenting to both meet people with similar interests and get help on a specific project.

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Hello, I was in two 'crews' as they used to call them in the early 00s. I'm not sure if you would really want join them . I think I prefer my current networking (twitter, github, blogposting, hacker news, stack overflow, etc.) Back at the time, there was no StartUp culture (where I lived, not talking about Silicon Valley), everything was closed and there was a huge debate over full disclosure (I'm not even sure how i…

Security wasn't an industry before 2002? Huh? Security made millionaires out of half of #!r00t and (I assume) #w00w00 before 2000, mostly due to ISS. It professionalized in the mid-1990s.

Hm, security made millionaires you say, I'm not sure about that. WhatsUp is not the kind of application that I would expect from a former w00w00/TESO/MoD/ADM/Gobless/LSD-PL/whatever. Most of them are into security I assume and I don't recall anyone becoming millionaire, in the sense that no story made headlines to my knowledge.

But you probably know better, since you're on the field.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Security wasn't an industry before 2002? Huh? Security made millionaires out of half of #!r00t and (I assume) #w00w00 before 2000, mostly due to ISS. It professionalized in the mid-1990s.

Hm, security made millionaires you say, I'm not sure about that. WhatsUp is not the kind of application that I would expect from a former w00w00/TESO/MoD/ADM/Gobless/LSD-PL/whatever. Most of them are into security I assume and I don't recall anyone becoming millionaire, in the sense that no story made headlines to my knowledge. But you probably know better, since you're on the field.

People have been selling security companies for 8-9 figures for the last 13 years or so, more or less continuously. And when we're talking about #w00w00 / #hack / #!r00t, you also have to contend with ISSX, which was an extremely successful IPO. So, yeah: reevaluate that thought.

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What if I want to join the modern-day equivalent of this group's beginnings?

Hello, I was in two 'crews' as they used to call them in the early 00s. I'm not sure if you would really want join them . I think I prefer my current networking (twitter, github, blogposting, hacker news, stack overflow, etc.) Back at the time, there was no StartUp culture (where I lived, not talking about Silicon Valley), everything was closed and there was a huge debate over full disclosure (I'm not even sure how i…

>Things changed after 2002-3 (you can see this in the Phrack articles, turning suddenly extremely technical). >Then the web-based internet came out, everything start requiring PHP+SQL and XSS was born. Then Java and after that JavaScript... Which created a new, less sophisticated attack vectors.

What does that mean? Tim Berners-Lee might like to have a word with you about when the "web-based" internet came out.

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