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Re: Nokia Releasing First Android Phone

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Linus Torvalds once said: "If Microsoft ever starts developing apps for Linux, it means I won." Is this close enough?

Microsoft have been submitting kernel patches for years now, you know.

kernel patches that directly benefit their own products, like making it easier to run virtual machines, etc. Not from the goodness and kindness of their wonderful, generous hearts.

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I'll never understand why Nokia thought that going with WP was a better strategy than forking android like amazon did. Think about it: it would have the openness and stability of Linux with the single hardware configuration and quality of the iPhone, total win-win. Now they are going to android as the cheap option which means only crappy hardware that only "looks" like a lumia. Had Nokia gone the other way it would b…

at the time when WP was offered to Nokia it was a good option. first of all it came with a nice cash bonus, offered them customization options, offered them a possible new market and differentiation from the various android manufacturers and the promise of a huge marketing boost that they'd otherwise have to do on their own if they went with android. bottomline though WP didn't take off the way they would have hoped and the rest is history.

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How is Android "not really a Linux ? It runs the Linux kernel. That means it's Linux. No, it's not a distribution of GNU/Linux, but it's a Linux kernel. It's really using Linux. It's as Linux as Ubuntu, as Ubuntu also runs on a Linux kernel.

Why would anybody have cared about Linux except as an academic exercise if not for GNU? If there had been another properly licensed kernel before Linux, we would all be using GNU bolted on top of that. Linux has been great and Linus is a great steward, but Linux without GNU is a base for creating an OS, not an OS.

> If there had been another properly licensed kernel before Linux, we would all be using GNU bolted on top of that.

BSD?

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Ah, so that's where we've moved the goal post. Sorry it might take me a little while to get there, it's looking like I better grab a golf cart.

Confusing. How is gross margin a shift of goalposts in a thread about profits?

Fair, but this discussion is a continuation of the Android vs iOS debate which has been raging for half a decade.

My memory is horrible but I remember it going: 1. Android has no apps 2. Android has no market share 3. Apple's market share is larger 4. iPhone is always the best selling phone 5. iPhone has the only responsive interface 6. No single manufacturer is making big profits 7. Only Samsung is making large profits.

Now I should admit my bias, I never considered iOS comptetitve since it is not open source. With that said it is nice to see Android becoming competitive even if you don't exclude the proprietary systems. In the end I just find the idea that we should be happy Apple is making profits as silly.

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Why would anybody have cared about Linux except as an academic exercise if not for GNU? If there had been another properly licensed kernel before Linux, we would all be using GNU bolted on top of that. Linux has been great and Linus is a great steward, but Linux without GNU is a base for creating an OS, not an OS.

> If there had been another properly licensed kernel before Linux, we would all be using GNU bolted on top of that. BSD?

BSD was is a legal limbo between 1992–1994, and by then Linux had gained more popularity.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USL_v._BSDi

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I'll never understand why Nokia thought that going with WP was a better strategy than forking android like amazon did. Think about it: it would have the openness and stability of Linux with the single hardware configuration and quality of the iPhone, total win-win. Now they are going to android as the cheap option which means only crappy hardware that only "looks" like a lumia. Had Nokia gone the other way it would b…

They got a cash injection and it set them up for an acquisition.

The alternative was being another Android manufacturer when HTC & Samsung were leaders in that area, and it looked like Google might take the oxygen out with the Nexus line and Motorola. (not sure whether those all line up perfectly chronologically, but none of them are critical to the point of Nokia not wanting to be "another Android manufacturer")

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Honestly, it sounds like a bad proposition overall. What is Windows Phone lacking? Apps. What will the Nokia Android phone lack? The Google Play store. Hmm.

>What is Windows Phone lacking? Apps. What is the current perceived gap in the Windows Phone app store?

When I tried one (and admittedly, this was the WP7 era) the biggest problem wasn't missing brands, it was awful experiences. Spotify were on there - the app didn't play music 50% of the time. Foursquare was on there, but it barely worked. And so on.

I haven't checked back since because, well, why would I?

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I'll never understand why Nokia thought that going with WP was a better strategy than forking android like amazon did. Think about it: it would have the openness and stability of Linux with the single hardware configuration and quality of the iPhone, total win-win. Now they are going to android as the cheap option which means only crappy hardware that only "looks" like a lumia. Had Nokia gone the other way it would b…

Being an Android manufacturer isn't exactly a bunch of roses either. At the last count only Samsung were making serious money through it - everyone else seems to be struggling along.

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If uname(2) says it’s Linux, it has to be Linux.

cat >/bin/uname

I see your point; that being said, I was talking about the system call uname(2), not the command line utility uname(1). It's somewhat more difficult to fake that, you need to know your way around C the very least.

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Why would anybody have cared about Linux except as an academic exercise if not for GNU? If there had been another properly licensed kernel before Linux, we would all be using GNU bolted on top of that. Linux has been great and Linus is a great steward, but Linux without GNU is a base for creating an OS, not an OS.

I really like GNU, but are you sure that it is GNU that has succeeded and not Linux? Linux + GNU = small marketshare Linux + Android = big marketshare So maybe without GNU, Linux would have gotten some other userland quicker and taken off faster? I don't think it's entirely fair to credit Linux's success to GNU at this point.

What other userland? Without GNU, Linux might never have even gotten written.
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