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To the Girls of HackerNews: I am a Female Founder who Codes

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Re: To the Girls of HackerNews: I am a Female Founder who Codes

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To the Boys of HackerNews: I am a Male Founder who Codes but no one cares because there's too many of us and that makes us not at all interesting. Have women have ever been robbed of being able to code like voting? Why does it receive so much attention? What adversity did they need to overcome to be where they are? Is it physical like someone who suffers from carpal tunnel syndrome or glaucoma overcoming their disabi…

Every female would have had to get over the constant systematic assumption that they didnt belong in this field, from the culture being the only girl in the room / on the team / to the constant assumptions that they are in marketing at meetups and generally just reminded at ever step that they 'dont belong' You are right, it is not the level of oppression as seen in North Korea, but it is severe and blindlingly obvio…

    > Every female would have had to get over the constant
    > systematic assumption that they didnt belong in this field,
    > from the culture being the only girl in the room / on the
    > team / to the constant assumptions that they are in
    > marketing at meetups and generally just reminded at ever
    > step that they 'dont belong'
Which they have in many more prestigious and traditionally more masculine fields, with medicine being the prime example.

Re: To the Girls of HackerNews: I am a Female Founder who Codes

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post #19

To the author of this blog and all ladies reading this: I'm sorry, but just like stories around racial diversity in tech you're about to see a bunch of HN comments making _EVERY EXCUSE CONCEIVABLE_ , and then some, to dismiss your concerns and/or say this blog is doing damage instead of helping. I think they're all wrong, but I can't argue against all of them. All I can do is upvote your supporters and downvote the d…

Way to throw out the righteous indignation before anything actually happened. That doesn't add to the conversation at all and, if anything, just invites problems.

Re: To the Girls of HackerNews: I am a Female Founder who Codes

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To the Boys of HackerNews: I am a Male Founder who Codes but no one cares because there's too many of us and that makes us not at all interesting. Have women have ever been robbed of being able to code like voting? Why does it receive so much attention? What adversity did they need to overcome to be where they are? Is it physical like someone who suffers from carpal tunnel syndrome or glaucoma overcoming their disabi…

Yes exactly. I'm a bit fed up with people advocating more women in . As far as I can tell these same people don't complain that teachers and nurses jobs are mainly occupied by women. Everybody seem to agree that a nursing job is not attractive for most men. Maybe the reason that women are few in tech is because these professions are not attractive to them.

Every single time this topic is mentioned someone makes the comment about nurses or teachers; or women in construction.

There are programmes aimed at getting more men into nursing and teaching. There are programmes aimed at getting more women into construction.

Re: To the Girls of HackerNews: I am a Female Founder who Codes

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post #47

Tongue in cheek, but I think there might be a point here struggling to see the light of day... Why? I mean, why would women want to get into coding? If one is not already working with computers, from the outside world, its a crappy job, and the money isn't better than many other things. Not to mention the insane hours culture. Women have a clean sheet choice. Why work in an office, killing your brain on hugely comple…

I dunno, programming can be as fun as any other art, and the money is good and secure. And I don't see how this analysis incorporates gender at all -- unless you're saying women are better at decision-making than men, heh

Re: To the Girls of HackerNews: I am a Female Founder who Codes

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To the Boys of HackerNews: I am a Male Founder who Codes but no one cares because there's too many of us and that makes us not at all interesting. Have women have ever been robbed of being able to code like voting? Why does it receive so much attention? What adversity did they need to overcome to be where they are? Is it physical like someone who suffers from carpal tunnel syndrome or glaucoma overcoming their disabi…

Yes exactly. I'm a bit fed up with people advocating more women in . As far as I can tell these same people don't complain that teachers and nurses jobs are mainly occupied by women. Everybody seem to agree that a nursing job is not attractive for most men. Maybe the reason that women are few in tech is because these professions are not attractive to them.

The lack of male teachers is considered a problem by many people in education. A lot of words were written and conferences organized on the topic.

tl;dr: the consensus seems to be that it would be better if there would be more male teachers so the boys would have more teachers to relate to.

Re: To the Girls of HackerNews: I am a Female Founder who Codes

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To the Boys of HackerNews: I am a Male Founder who Codes but no one cares because there's too many of us and that makes us not at all interesting. Have women have ever been robbed of being able to code like voting? Why does it receive so much attention? What adversity did they need to overcome to be where they are? Is it physical like someone who suffers from carpal tunnel syndrome or glaucoma overcoming their disabi…

Every female would have had to get over the constant systematic assumption that they didnt belong in this field, from the culture being the only girl in the room / on the team / to the constant assumptions that they are in marketing at meetups and generally just reminded at ever step that they 'dont belong' You are right, it is not the level of oppression as seen in North Korea, but it is severe and blindlingly obvio…

> to the constant assumptions that they are in marketing at meetups

I often get "so, you're a designer?"

Re: To the Girls of HackerNews: I am a Female Founder who Codes

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I run a private education organization that teaches kids how to code at a physical facility, and we get a gender breakup of male and female students that is similar to that of the industry (around 80 - 20). Because of the overwhelming male presence, it is difficult to make a comfortable learning environment for the female students, who may often feel uncomfortable, at odds with, or ostracized by pseudo-masculine effo…

How about just being harsh on "psuedo-masculine efforts"? Just like if you had mostly white kids and they made the black kids "feel uncomfortable" by "awkward" kids, the answer is to meet the stupid jokes and what not with sincerity and make them realise how absurd the behaviour is. Just like in other co-ed classes if boys make whatever jokes, it gets slapped down.

Separating things sounds like it'd just make the male stuff even worse since there's no negative feedback. And it doesn't strengthen the girls to speak out when a guy tries some dumbass posturing or whatever.

And I say this even while planning to send my daughters to all-girls school just for possible reduction in the general adolescent "distractions". I just don't see what's comp-sci specific.

Re: To the Girls of HackerNews: I am a Female Founder who Codes

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post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The only thing suspicious is the propaganda machine which is creating this never ending list of gender-tech articles and their associated divisionist jargon. Social construct theory is dead. Girls who have a genuine interest in technology couldn't care less about the sex of their coworkers (because if they did then they would be sexists).

Posts like these get high views. I'd say it's more of a link-bait thing.

Did you read the article?

Re: To the Girls of HackerNews: I am a Female Founder who Codes

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There is nothing about programming computers that is gender specific; in fact it seems kind of weird and awkward that we have to discuss this at all. Given that so many of the foundational figures of the field ( Ada Lovelace, Grace Hopper, etc. ) were female, the fact that programming and IT became an almost entirely male-dominated profession is suspicious, and should make us question the attitudes and social constru…

Its not about programming. Or anything to do with the profession. Its has much to do with the culture. In my first project near impossible work conditions and deadlines were placed on us. Most of us had to make extreme sacrifices(health wise, socially and in many aspects)- The other option was being out of the job. The problem is you need a supporting family. Here in India, its difficult for women at least socially a…

> "Plus women have to take breaks in their 20's and 30's for maternity reasons."

Women aren't required to have kids?

Re: To the Girls of HackerNews: I am a Female Founder who Codes

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post #57
post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's weird is that people assume that this has to do with programming specifically, instead of the larger workings of gender as a social construction and hierarchy (laid upon the material reality of sex dimorphism). Discussing gender isn't weird, men (and many women) just aren't very literate about the thing.

Actually most men who program are just interested in it. Same with the ladies. Discussing gender is irrelevant to this forum. This new age jargon will have a short shelf life once the truth gets out. Those who sow seeds of discord will soon have to reap their crops.

There's a gender imbalance in the programming field. This, to many, is worthy of thought. If you think you really know what's relevant to be discussed on Hacker News, you should shoot pg an email volunteering to moderate, see how that goes
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