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What happens if authorities seize your laptop?

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Re: What happens if authorities seize your laptop?

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post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Who is responsible then for paying for this damage? Craigslist. Or eBay, or Kijiji, or the Classified section of your local newspaper. Whatever lets you get rid of your possibly contaminated device while recouping at least part of the cost. The difference between the price of the new device and the amount you can recoup by selling it secondhand, multiplied by the probability that your device will indeed be seized,…

Would you disclose that it is possibly tainted or are you ok with possibly screwing over the next owner of the device?

By the very fact of the device being pre-owned, it is inherently possibly tainted.

Re: What happens if authorities seize your laptop?

#63
Such an inconvenience. They should reimburse the cost of the laptop say to standard tune of 3-5k government cheques and allow for you to pick up your laptop in return for the money, if you need it.

Full on encryption, tmp lock and filesystem hashing via tripwire then is mandatory. Fun thing is that you can screw up the malware to send all kinds nasty shit back to them, like trojans and viruses, PIF files and EXE files and whatever might tickle your fancy. Then get your malware do maximum damage on their network.

After all they hacked your laptop, they engaged in illegal activity and it is only fare for you to punish them to the fullest extent of your technical capability.

They cannot acknowledge the fact that they hacked your laptop without a warrant.

etc.etc.

There's tons of fun to have this way. Since people who are doing these things are expecting you to be retarded luser and so you can set a trap and have them fall straight into that.

Make a blog post and example of malware and how to entrap the said trespassers, what does malware do etc.

my 2c.

Re: What happens if authorities seize your laptop?

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> Between October 2008-August 2009, for example, more than 220 million people travelled to and from the US , according to Department of Homeland Security officials. > During that time authorities searched about 1,000 laptops carried by travellers. We don't live in the police state that most Snowden and Kim Dotcom supporters here tell us that we do. I get really tired of seeing anecdotes used to represent the average.

If you are a political activist, it seems the odds of getting your laptop searched is many orders of magnitude greater than the general population.

Which is, in effect, a prior restraint on political speech, so you'd think the Supreme Court would be all over that.

Re: What happens if authorities seize your laptop?

#65
This has been the case for some time, and I doubt the unaccountable bureaucracy is going to change. So the only thing we can do is disrespect, mitigate, and undermine.

Here was my ad-hoc procedure from traveling internationally a few months ago (tourism), with a prior of not really expecting to be hassled on the way there, but unknown for the way back:

1. Choose the laptop I'm least likely to miss in the case it gets stolen by JBTs, with respect to the functionality I require.

2. Wipe(1) the first 10MB of disk (has only ever been LUKS), then one /dev/urandom pass into the entire thing. (In retrospect, zeros may have been better than random)

3. Reinstall Debian, with a passphrase I don't mind giving up. Sync over only files that I don't mind giving up.

4. Go through Japanese customs - the only question asked was "Are you with him?" (friend in front of me).

5a. At this point, I possess a still uncompromised machine at the destination, with stored ssh host keys, etc. When (last-minute) prepping, this possibility didn't quite occur to me. Not being prepared to take full advantage of this was regrettable.

5b. (If machine had been molested, I would have not logged into my privileged accounts at all. For the most part I didn't have to anyway, but since I wasn't fully prepared it came in handy once or twice)

6. For return, wipe first 10MB of disk again, then one /dev/zero pass to the entire thing (so there was no argument that I had encrypted data). Then mkdosfs on a whole-disk partition for derp-nothingness. (This was done with a Debian install image written to an old flash drive I had with me for the purpose. My only concern at this point is the hardware getting stolen.

7. Take hard drive out of laptop so that it is a separate device. This would most likely increase suspicion, but make them even less justified in stealing the whole machine (not that this would stop them).

8. Get waved through coming back through USG because laptop "searches" aren't actually that common for people not on the primary watchlist (everyone is on the secondary watchlist). Still, I will do the same thing next time, and think it irresponsible to not.

There are of course improvements that could be made to this, including a small default-booting "nothing to see here" install, with file times etc automatically adjusted. Automatic copying of machine credentials etc when you're at your destination. Using a separate partition instead of the flash drive. And of course automation of the process so it's easy for everyone to do :)

Re: What happens if authorities seize your laptop?

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post #11

"Or you can scrub your laptop clean, storing everything on an external hard drive that you leave at home. Then you know you are safe from prying authorities, at least at the border." That is unless you believe that those prying authorities have the will and the way to leave an undetectable backdoor in your laptop. Breaking the chain of custody in any laptop today is akin to destruction of trust in that device. Who is…

That's why I never let my laptop out of my sight after I watch it be given live birth to by a laptop in the wild - I just don't trust some factory or government or my apartment.

Do you have a pamphlet?

Re: What happens if authorities seize your laptop?

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post #11

"Or you can scrub your laptop clean, storing everything on an external hard drive that you leave at home. Then you know you are safe from prying authorities, at least at the border." That is unless you believe that those prying authorities have the will and the way to leave an undetectable backdoor in your laptop. Breaking the chain of custody in any laptop today is akin to destruction of trust in that device. Who is…

I would second this. We know for a fact that the NSA uses BIOS malware. I don't believe we know for a fact that such malware is routinely installed by border guards, but it's not a very far-fetched worry at this point. The technical expertise required to do so is very limited as long as you don't password-protect the BIOS: Basically, they only need to be able to plug in a USB stick and reconfigure the BIOS to boot fr…

Isn't BIOS passwords useless?

For non-soldered but socketed BIOSes I think one can just take chip out and put it into your wallet, possibly, covering some pins with some dissolvable insulating substance. For soldered SPI EEPROM chips with known pinout, I think one can reflash the chip afterwards.

Re: What happens if authorities seize your laptop?

#68
post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do MacBooks have the option to password protect the BIOS?

Yes, you can set an EFI password on Macbooks: https://support.apple.com/kb/HT1352

Thanks. But it looks like the "Firmware Password Utility" is not available by default in OSX 10.9, and those instructions only describe how to get it for OSX 10.5 and below. Thoughts?

Re: What happens if authorities seize your laptop?

#69

This has been the case for some time, and I doubt the unaccountable bureaucracy is going to change. So the only thing we can do is disrespect, mitigate, and undermine. Here was my ad-hoc procedure from traveling internationally a few months ago (tourism), with a prior of not really expecting to be hassled on the way there, but unknown for the way back: 1. Choose the laptop I'm least likely to miss in the case it gets…

What tools could be used to boot off a trusted, non-writable USB stick to checksum the BIOS?

Difficulty level: Macbook Air

Re: What happens if authorities seize your laptop?

#70
post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, you can set an EFI password on Macbooks: https://support.apple.com/kb/HT1352

Thanks. But it looks like the "Firmware Password Utility" is not available by default in OSX 10.9, and those instructions only describe how to get it for OSX 10.5 and below. Thoughts?

You have to boot into your recovery partition (Cmd+R on boot), then there's a menu option to set the firmware password, which will be active on the next reboot.
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