India snubbed America in 2011 by not giving the 11 billion $ fighter jet deal, even though Obama lobbied for it.
Bad US behavior does impact their business . Expect similar action for the Indian Diplomat arrest case
Saab wins Brazil jets deal after NSA spying sours Boeing bid
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Re: Saab wins Brazil jets deal after NSA spying sours Boeing bid
#62Maybe Saab won because they had a better offer. And maybe Boing usually wins these deals because they have the backing of large intelligence agencies. Who knows.
Could be. A popular theory is that in Norway Saab lost due to diplomatic pressure from the US.
"In the fall of 08, we invited a number of USG officials to visit Oslo to make the public case on why the F-35 is an excellent choice, and the private case on why the choice of aircraft will have an impact on the bilateral relationship (see refs A,B)."
Re: Saab wins Brazil jets deal after NSA spying sours Boeing bid
#63The U.S. has played dirty against the Saab Gripen before. See the Norwegian section of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saab_Gripen#Failed_bids
Not to mention also killing off Canada's Avro jet company.
I was actually taught about Avro in Canada in grade 5. Would have been about 1998 or so. I Some very interesting stories about the company, and hundreds of conspiracy theories as well. Very interesting company to say the least.
Re: Saab wins Brazil jets deal after NSA spying sours Boeing bid
#64That's fine as long as we keep Lockheed planes to ourselves. Nothing beats the F22.
Your comment is borderline idiotic. And you clearly don't understand the difference between multirole, flighter and attack jets.
I guess I am an idiot. Honestly HN is really turning into reddit.
Que more down votes! I will never get to that down vote feature threshold.
Re: Saab wins Brazil jets deal after NSA spying sours Boeing bid
#65That's fine as long as we keep Lockheed planes to ourselves. Nothing beats the F22.
HN commentors takes things wayyyy to seriously.
edit: I come for the great links, the discussion are just a side effect of the awesome content.
Re: Saab wins Brazil jets deal after NSA spying sours Boeing bid
#66That's fine as long as we keep Lockheed planes to ourselves. Nothing beats the F22.
This is the plane that asphyxiates it's pilots remember... http://www.cbsnews.com/news/air-force-confirms-air-supply-pr...
It isnt the plane it is the vest. They were using a standard vest for a plane that can do things previous generations could not. Vector thrusting and some massive amount of thrust provided by those snazzy pratt and whitney F119 turbofans.
Re: Saab wins Brazil jets deal after NSA spying sours Boeing bid
#67I consider this to be a good thing. Boeing is going to run to their lobbyists screaming bloody murder. The lobbyists will then ensure that the right palms are greased, the right fundraisers are held, and the right golf invitations are issued. Suddenly, there will be movement on the issue at the highest levels of government.
It is sad that this is how it works, and that it takes evidence of a large corporation losing money to be the catalyst for change. But at least it will work in our favor for once.
Re: Saab wins Brazil jets deal after NSA spying sours Boeing bid
#68Sounds like Brazil went with the low price leader (French comments were interesting) and didn't miss a chance to stick it in the eye of the US with a couple of anonymous quotes. If you follow the other logic it's pretty depressing "Yes, you had the better technology and were the preferred choice but we went with an inferior product because of spying and no that wouldn't make us feel really stupid if we get into a war…
A third possible explanation could be (I do not know enough about US-Brazilian relations to know if it is plausible):
Before we thought you were an ally we could trust, so we were going to buy your overpriced jets to strengthen the friendship. Now that you have showed your true face we are going to go with the lowest bidder instead.
Saab has lost several bids due to countries buying worse planes from the US for diplomatic purposes.
Re: Saab wins Brazil jets deal after NSA spying sours Boeing bid
#69Well this is interesting. Everyone including the Americans are up in arms about the NSA thing....right up until it gets blamed for a lost bid. Some weird psychological bias at work here though I can't quite put my finger on it.
Re: Saab wins Brazil jets deal after NSA spying sours Boeing bid
#70That's fine as long as we keep Lockheed planes to ourselves. Nothing beats the F22.
The question isn't whether one F22 can beat one Gripen. The question is whether one F22 beats three Gripen (seeing as how the F22 is three times as expensive).
You're assuming 3 gripns will be able to find the f-22. F-22 shouldnt have to ever get close enough for an enemy to see/find them. F22 determines who will be able to see them.
5th gen fighter: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fifth-generation_jet_fighter