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After working +1200 hours in oDesk

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Re: After working +1200 hours in oDesk

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To me, the most revealing part of this post is how much of a difference the profile picture made: adding a fake beard increased response rate threefold!

I am often told that I look very young; I am 27 and people think I'm 20. I've never really thought much of it, but it might explain how disrespectful some people (especially in academia) have been treating me. Maybe I should grow a beard.

Re: After working +1200 hours in oDesk

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post #7

The fact that his response rate got higher after he photoshopped a beard on his face needs more explanation, was he applying to get those jobs more than pre-beard? If he was applying about the same that's really interesting, and makes me sad as a beardless guy.

I wouldn't put much stock in that.

If the results were 2/17 vs 7/20 that would not be a statistically significant result; in any case, there could be other major factors such as time-of-day and experience-building which are not discussed.

The job applications limit and 2 week period of this trial suggests that the sample sizes were not any bigger than that.

It's likely just a coincidence.

Re: After working +1200 hours in oDesk

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post #36

The hours logged in his graph (per my understanding) do not show the work spent on searching and applying for jobs. And also tweaking your CV. There is a lot of overhead in doing this. And then you have to log hours for: accounting, banking, and government papers. And then deduct banking and accountants fees. And then deduct your hardware fees (since you are paying for them yourself). No need for an office since you…

Wow, $60/hour. Define "poor".

Re: After working +1200 hours in oDesk

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post #36

The hours logged in his graph (per my understanding) do not show the work spent on searching and applying for jobs. And also tweaking your CV. There is a lot of overhead in doing this. And then you have to log hours for: accounting, banking, and government papers. And then deduct banking and accountants fees. And then deduct your hardware fees (since you are paying for them yourself). No need for an office since you…

Could you share how you got the $60 number?

I recently relocated to a low income country and guestimated my needed hourly rate to be around $20 when doing a 30 hour work week.

Biggest differences that I could think of is that I bought my house mortgage free and that I have a partner that also makes $20 per hour.

Re: After working +1200 hours in oDesk

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post #64
post #36

The hours logged in his graph (per my understanding) do not show the work spent on searching and applying for jobs. And also tweaking your CV. There is a lot of overhead in doing this. And then you have to log hours for: accounting, banking, and government papers. And then deduct banking and accountants fees. And then deduct your hardware fees (since you are paying for them yourself). No need for an office since you…

Could you share how you got the $60 number? I recently relocated to a low income country and guestimated my needed hourly rate to be around $20 when doing a 30 hour work week. Biggest differences that I could think of is that I bought my house mortgage free and that I have a partner that also makes $20 per hour.

I live in Uruguay (South America) and I agree with you.

A U$ 20 rate would enable me to live decently, but U$ 60/hr would enable me to live extremely well (living in the best neighbourhood, private school for children, etc..)

I currently make U$ 8 an hour (because I work 240 hours a month as a salaried employee) and I find it tough to make ends meet (even though my girlfriend works as well, she makes more than I do but only works 100 hours a month)

Re: After working +1200 hours in oDesk

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post #61

To me, the most revealing part of this post is how much of a difference the profile picture made: adding a fake beard increased response rate threefold! I am often told that I look very young; I am 27 and people think I'm 20. I've never really thought much of it, but it might explain how disrespectful some people (especially in academia) have been treating me. Maybe I should grow a beard.

You also gain the benefit of not wasting time and money on shaving.

Re: After working +1200 hours in oDesk

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post #64
post #36

The hours logged in his graph (per my understanding) do not show the work spent on searching and applying for jobs. And also tweaking your CV. There is a lot of overhead in doing this. And then you have to log hours for: accounting, banking, and government papers. And then deduct banking and accountants fees. And then deduct your hardware fees (since you are paying for them yourself). No need for an office since you…

Could you share how you got the $60 number? I recently relocated to a low income country and guestimated my needed hourly rate to be around $20 when doing a 30 hour work week. Biggest differences that I could think of is that I bought my house mortgage free and that I have a partner that also makes $20 per hour.

I was talking about one worker (partner doesn't work), so I guess your accumulated income is $40/hour. Still a bit far from my estimate.

1. Do you need a car? It's a must here, otherwise your low income country is more developed than the average third-world one.

2. Do you actually do the accounting, marketing... yourself or are you full-time employed. That skew things by a big margin.

3. How is inflation. It's around 20% here. Not all third-worlds suffer from high inflation, but many (most of them?) do.

Re: After working +1200 hours in oDesk

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post #61

To me, the most revealing part of this post is how much of a difference the profile picture made: adding a fake beard increased response rate threefold! I am often told that I look very young; I am 27 and people think I'm 20. I've never really thought much of it, but it might explain how disrespectful some people (especially in academia) have been treating me. Maybe I should grow a beard.

Do it. Growing some modest facial hair has made a big difference in being treated like an adult for me. For comparison I'm 30 and if I shave I get carded at movie theaters.

Re: After working +1200 hours in oDesk

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post #56

How can you get a software developer jobs in oDesk with so many people from India in there? Not against them, but they can do so low rates that even if I work 80h/week I still can't get a decent income. I mean below 8 USD/h. Living costs are so low in there?

One would hope that the living standard in India and elsewhere would improve fast so that the wage disparity gets smaller and smaller.

Re: After working +1200 hours in oDesk

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post #31

As a developer living in the US my experience with Odesk is that you cannot make a living doing just Odesk. But you can still achieve good pay rate on certain projects if you choose carefully. I used to charge , for example $600+ for a 3 hour job in the weekend. and if you are lucky you may end up building relationship with your client and get other projects outside of Odsek. If anybody looking to get into Odesk, thi…

A couple of years ago, I was away from the U.S. for a few months and thought I'd try to get some contracts online. I hadn't heard of oDesk and only knew of some others like rentacoder. I did the exact same thing you suggested, which is send a link to a prototype in my bid. With my awesome luck, I didn't hear back from either of the 2 projects I sent the prototypes for. I ended up finding a software company that was hiring locally.
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