India blocking climate talks: Warsaw, Bangkok, and Kyoto negotiations

Post by cscurmudgeon » Tue, Dec 03, 2013, 12:31 PM UTC

dredmorbius wrote: post #57

cscurmudgeon wrote: post #56

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So poor people should try getting rich because there is a chance everyone will get poor? (Meanwhile the rich consume as usual.) Don't you see how fucked up that stance is?

So poor people should try getting rich because there is a chance everyone will get poor? Sorry, I'm not parsing that. Are you missing a negative somewhere? My intended meaning: a greater level of allocation equity may be achieved. If we're lucky, it's going to be at a relatively high level (I'd be happy with a late 19th / early 20th century industrialized world equivalent). If we're not, it will be at subsistence agr…

Post by dcc1 » Thu, Dec 05, 2013, 1:33 PM UTC

tks2103 wrote: post #47

dredmorbius wrote: post #43

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And for anyone who discounts the affects of English dominion over Ireland, look up the history of the Irish Potato Famine, during which England continued exports of grain and beef from Ireland to England. This was while one million people died of starvation, and a million more emigrated (most to the US and Canada), a fifth to a quarter of the island's population. A classic case of distribution inequity. The implicati…

The general point "history is rife with inequities" is not going to mean anything to any developing nation. "History is rife with inequities" only means something to rich westerners. You are not going to get India on board by claiming Ireland had it just as bad. India's GDP per capita is $1500. Ireland's is $45000. That's a factor of 30. China is going to think the same way. They are going to see any bluster from wes…

Post by dcc1 » Thu, Dec 05, 2013, 11:52 PM UTC

tks2103 wrote: post #64

dcc1 wrote: post #63

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You missed my point, "Because, Colonization" argument is silly, both Ireland and India were colonized for prolonged periods, both experienced extreme hardships in that time (and some benefits too of British rule) both became independent roughly around same time, yet now both have very different standard of living for average person blaming colonization is stupid when there are multiple other variables present

If the point is that colonialism isn't the only variable that exists, then we are all on the same page. That was explicitly stated in the thread. India was colonized and India has access to better technology and medicine compared to the original industrialized nations during their time to industrialize. Both are facts. Regardless, India does not have an incentive to care about Ireland's or anyone else's path to indus…