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Czech bitcoin exchange Bitcash.cz hacked, up to 4,000 user wallets emptied

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Re: Czech bitcoin exchange Bitcash.cz hacked, up to 4,000 user wallets emptied

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I'm old enough to remember a time when using your credit card to buy something on the internet was considered wildly stupid and irresponsible. Just saying.

One difference is that slashdot didn't lead with a new "all the credit cards are gone!" story every day...

Yes, but only because it didn't exist yet!

Re: Czech bitcoin exchange Bitcash.cz hacked, up to 4,000 user wallets emptied

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Every new day seems to bring another new Bitcoin scandal -- whether it's a hacked exchange, stolen wallets, frozen funds, collapsed Ponzi schemes, arrested illegal-market operators, or who knows what else. Yet, despite all this, Bitcoin keeps appreciating, recently reaching an all-time high.[1] -- [1] https://blockchain.info/charts/market-price?timespan=all

My pet theory for the spate of hacks as of late is that they're all happening now precisely because Bitcoin is trading so high. If you can hack a Bitcoin "bank" and rob it, wouldn't it be smartest to wait until the money inside it is worth the most?

I agree. One of the smaller (but oldest) surviving black markets, Deepbay, apparently seized all bitcoins on deposit and stole them from its users a few days ago. Was it hacked? No, just the operator decided to cash out. Does this have something to do with Bitcoin tripling over the last month and additional competition from new black markets like Pandora and SR 2 and Tormarket? Probably...

Re: Czech bitcoin exchange Bitcash.cz hacked, up to 4,000 user wallets emptied

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Every new day seems to bring another new Bitcoin scandal -- whether it's a hacked exchange, stolen wallets, frozen funds, collapsed Ponzi schemes, arrested illegal-market operators, or who knows what else. Yet, despite all this, Bitcoin keeps appreciating, recently reaching an all-time high.[1] -- [1] https://blockchain.info/charts/market-price?timespan=all

I'm old enough to remember a time when using your credit card to buy something on the internet was considered wildly stupid and irresponsible. Just saying.

When exactly was that? The Fair Credit Billing Act was passed in 1975.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_Credit_Billing_Act

Re: Czech bitcoin exchange Bitcash.cz hacked, up to 4,000 user wallets emptied

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post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm old enough to remember a time when using your credit card to buy something on the internet was considered wildly stupid and irresponsible. Just saying.

When exactly was that? The Fair Credit Billing Act was passed in 1975. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_Credit_Billing_Act

Yes, consumers using credit cards definitely had more protections at that time than they do today with bitcoin. My point is merely that less than 20 years ago people had an almost universal aversion to putting their credit card information into a form on a website. That changed rapidly. I believe that the pieces aren't yet in place to give people the same level of confidence in bitcoin, but I also believe that it's a (short) matter of time until they are. Multi-signature transactions are very interesting in that regard.

I don't believe that bitcoin will destroy fiat or the finance industry as a whole, but I do think it will become a very convenient way of moving money around, especially between national currencies. Much in the same way that sending an email is more convenient than sending a letter internationally. It's not a complete solution; it's a foundation to build services upon, and those services will most likely be offered by the same large financial institutions we have today, along with a few upstarts. Just my 2 μBTC.

Re: Czech bitcoin exchange Bitcash.cz hacked, up to 4,000 user wallets emptied

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Every new day seems to bring another new Bitcoin scandal -- whether it's a hacked exchange, stolen wallets, frozen funds, collapsed Ponzi schemes, arrested illegal-market operators, or who knows what else. Yet, despite all this, Bitcoin keeps appreciating, recently reaching an all-time high.[1] -- [1] https://blockchain.info/charts/market-price?timespan=all

Bitcoin continues to appreciate, because positive developments surpass negative ones, by far . In the last week alone: - Winklevosses: Bitcoin worth at least 100 times more: http://www.cnbc.com/id/101190181 - Federal Reserve economist says bitcoin is a remarkable technical achievement: http://www.coindesk.com/federal-reserve-economist-says-bitco... - Shopify (70,000 merchants!) accepts Bitcoin: http://thenextweb.com/…

Don't the Winkelvii have large Bitcoin holdings, whose value they presumably wish to drive upwards? Sorry, but I think this is a case of a market remaining irrational for longer than some people can remain solvent. I don't intend to waste money betting against it, but I'm not impressed. A couple of years ago people were predicting the price of gold was headed for the stars too, and a lot of them have lost money since.

Re: Czech bitcoin exchange Bitcash.cz hacked, up to 4,000 user wallets emptied

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I'm getting somewhat tired of these kinds of stories, the stories and the responses here both follow identical patterns.

1) Security is compromised at an entity that deals somehow with bitcoins. The security of the blockchain remains unimpacted, it is as relevant to the fundamentals of the currency as much as someone getting robbed is relevant to the fundamentals of the fiat currency they were robbed in.

2) Much whining and gnashing of teeth ensues as to how bitcoin is going to collapse any second now because clearly it is just some crazy snake oil and look at the rash of compromises as evidence, and by the way it also happens I disapprove of it because it goes against my views on what a currency needs to be.

3) People respond much along the lines I'm responding now.

4) It devolves into an ideological argument along the lines of the characteristics of the currency itself and the potential death of fiat money and its implications.

Conclusion; Some people are fundamentally ideologically opposed to bitcoin and will use whatever they can to drag it through the mud at every opportunity.

Compromising the blockchain or the fundamentals of bitcoin itself is news, even when it's overblown or exaggerated like the recent Cornell findings, some venture getting owned because they failed to adequately secure their place of business is par for the course and barely a footnote at this point in time.

For the first time in normal everyday business history, security really matters now. You can't just put up a banner with the legal penalties for acting against corporate policy and actually expect to hold people accountable via the legal system for ignoring your banner, the new rules are that you need real security.

Frankly I think that's a good thing and something that is far overdue, the swiss cheese state of general security practices coupled with the apathy and ignorance of general computer users has gone on for far too long, but because the individuals in question were never held personally to account there was never the motivation to really fix the problem.

Now there is, people need to accept this new paradigm if they want to deal in this space.

Re: Czech bitcoin exchange Bitcash.cz hacked, up to 4,000 user wallets emptied

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Every new day seems to bring another new Bitcoin scandal -- whether it's a hacked exchange, stolen wallets, frozen funds, collapsed Ponzi schemes, arrested illegal-market operators, or who knows what else. Yet, despite all this, Bitcoin keeps appreciating, recently reaching an all-time high.[1] -- [1] https://blockchain.info/charts/market-price?timespan=all

I'm old enough to remember a time when using your credit card to buy something on the internet was considered wildly stupid and irresponsible. Just saying.

Bitcoin can be even safer to spend online than credit cards, since you're not handing the merchant your card number which they can turn around and use at their whim.

For that to be a reality, we need to combine hardware wallets (https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Hardware_wallet http://www.bitcointrezor.com/), the new payment protocol (https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/BIP_0070), and escrow transactions (https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Bitcoin_Escrow_Service), but the result would be pretty awesome.

Re: Czech bitcoin exchange Bitcash.cz hacked, up to 4,000 user wallets emptied

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I'm getting somewhat tired of these kinds of stories, the stories and the responses here both follow identical patterns. 1) Security is compromised at an entity that deals somehow with bitcoins. The security of the blockchain remains unimpacted, it is as relevant to the fundamentals of the currency as much as someone getting robbed is relevant to the fundamentals of the fiat currency they were robbed in. 2) Much whin…

re: #1, don't you think it would be newsworthy if someone robbed a bank of all its customers' uninsured deposits? That doesn't really happen commonly, and if it did, it would be huge news.

Re: Czech bitcoin exchange Bitcash.cz hacked, up to 4,000 user wallets emptied

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post #17

Every new day seems to bring another new Bitcoin scandal -- whether it's a hacked exchange, stolen wallets, frozen funds, collapsed Ponzi schemes, arrested illegal-market operators, or who knows what else. Yet, despite all this, Bitcoin keeps appreciating, recently reaching an all-time high.[1] -- [1] https://blockchain.info/charts/market-price?timespan=all

I'm old enough to remember a time when using your credit card to buy something on the internet was considered wildly stupid and irresponsible. Just saying.

Like from Adobe circa last month :P

Re: Czech bitcoin exchange Bitcash.cz hacked, up to 4,000 user wallets emptied

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bitcoin continues to appreciate, because positive developments surpass negative ones, by far . In the last week alone: - Winklevosses: Bitcoin worth at least 100 times more: http://www.cnbc.com/id/101190181 - Federal Reserve economist says bitcoin is a remarkable technical achievement: http://www.coindesk.com/federal-reserve-economist-says-bitco... - Shopify (70,000 merchants!) accepts Bitcoin: http://thenextweb.com/…

I'm not sure that I'd lead with speculation from the Winklevosses in order to convince a skeptic. Your other three points are much stronger. Also, only the latter two are actual economic developments, rather than analysis. The upcoming Congressional hearings might be newsworthy too.

lol at a couple of dudes who are publicly known to be existing large amounts in bitcoin stating that it "should be worth a lot more!".
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