No major Swedish news site is covering this. Interesting.
Sweden closes four prisons as number of inmates plummets
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Re: Sweden closes four prisons as number of inmates plummets
#62Earlier quoted context omitted.
You are being racist. What you're saying is that immigrants are somehow more inclined to commit crimes simply because they're immigrants. That _is_ a racist statement and you're also ignoring the real reason. The reason crime is increasing is that Sweden has become a more unequal and segregated society. Immigrants have been hit harder by this development because of, for example, discrimination on the job market. So b…
Enforcing equality has historically shown to have the opposite effect. Thomas Sowell, an African American (discrimination is more prevalent in the states) has written extensively about this, as have many others regarding quotas and other forms of forced 'equality'. So no, I won't demand equality, also because I believe in the fact that employers should have the freedom to hire whoever they want without state regulati…
So you think it's perfectly fine to refuse to hire somebody just because of their ethnicity? Wow.
Also, just because you can find one right wing economist supporting your view doesn't mean you're right. There's an overwhelming amount of evidence supporting the fact that inequality leads to higher crime rates.
I'm sort of starting to think that you're really just trolling, seeing how Ted Kaczynski is a convicted serial killer with pretty crazy idea. Not someone I'd use to back my ideas in a discussion. I guess you have to use whatever you can get your hands on.
Re: Sweden closes four prisons as number of inmates plummets
#63Earlier quoted context omitted.
Thats what happen when politics start to dictate priorities for the police. A large group of the police force and prosecutor have been dedicated to hunt down file sharing. An other group is dedicated to maintain the national firewall. Others deal with hunting down all those 16 years old kids who "hacks" websites with DDOS. This failure of the police and the justice system has very little to do with the police, and al…
Politicians have always run the police - a police force is the government's visible threat of violence and method of control over the population. They're not there to protect you. They're there to protect the establishment.
Next time you call the police. Please recite that little speech to the responding officer.
Re: Sweden closes four prisons as number of inmates plummets
#64This is a pure political gimmick to project their country as one of the safest/crime-free countries. As many have said here, Police is run by the Government and they have the right to manipulate the data.
As a general statistic, if you google it, you'll know the crime rate has been increasing in the last few years. They either fell into dumb ears or they make up by letting the criminals out.
What's the point?
Re: Sweden closes four prisons as number of inmates plummets
#65Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sounds like Nottingham in the UK's bullshit crime statistics. "Arrests fallen! Crime rates lower than ever!" Actually people just do it vigilante style or don't bother reporting it because the police are fucking useless. I mean I caught a person breaking into my car, had photos of the person doing it, the car was covered in finger prints, they arrived in another stolen car with plates that were photographed, left the…
The police are there to: - Do you for speeding. - Protect the establishment. - Threaten violence. - Prop up the prison-industrial complex for the benefit of private corporations. They are categorically not there to help you. They never have been. This is a misapprehension that has been around since the days of Peel. A police force is the state's visible threat of violence against its populace, in order to exact contr…
This is not how a democratic nation is supposed to work. So please don't hold up this characterization of the police as something which is inevitable. The democratic ideal is that the police have a national monopoly on the legal use of violence, and the use of this violence is dictated by the laws and the courts. This is how well-working democratic nations work, and it is indeed how the police force in my home country works.
That anything else can be said about the USA today (maybe also the UK?), is just a testament to the scale of the democratic problems you guys have. You are really deep into it, and it doesn't seem like you realize the extent of the problem.
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#66Earlier quoted context omitted.
d-intl.com is run by a bunch of paranoid and outright crazy neo-fascist. It's extremely racist and have close ties to the Norwegian terrorist Ander Bering Breivik as well as to the violent English Defence League(EDL). It's not by any means a decent source for anything.
Well thats just like your opinion, and not true at all. The problem in Sweden is the same as in Denmark only worse. The media is controlled by leftists to a degree that almost no rightwing views are ever presented. In Denmark 80% of journalists vote to the left, and we only have one or two papers who present the 55% of the population who vote on the right wing. The same is true in Sweden only worse.
d-intl.com/Tryckfrihetssällskapet have on numerous occasions invited EDL (now former) leader Stephen "Tommy Robinson" Yaxley-Lennon to speech at rallies and meetings. That's a fact.
Your other statements are the typical Swedish right-wing conspiracy theory and slur that has no correlation with reality.
Re: Sweden closes four prisons as number of inmates plummets
#67Earlier quoted context omitted.
No - that's purely a form of idealism. At best you'll get an apology from the police which isn't worth the effort.
Additionally, don't make a complaint about the police unless you fully understand what you are getting yourself into. There is a reasonable chance that they will harass you and your family until they can find some reason to arrest you (or they may just arrest you for no reason). http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2013/may/11/police-vendetta-la... A defence solicitor who was awarded £550,000 in damages from a police force…
Yeah that's about right.
It's about the arrests, not the crimes.
Re: Sweden closes four prisons as number of inmates plummets
#68Beware of the political spin! Note that while the number of inmates plummets, the number of crimes committed is higher than ever. This is a failure of the police and the justice system and not a success story. Nearly 95 percent of violent crimes and robberies committed in Sweden go unsolved , and an individual police officer solves an average of three crimes per year. http://www.thelocal.se/20081103/15412
Thats what happen when politics start to dictate priorities for the police. A large group of the police force and prosecutor have been dedicated to hunt down file sharing. An other group is dedicated to maintain the national firewall. Others deal with hunting down all those 16 years old kids who "hacks" websites with DDOS. This failure of the police and the justice system has very little to do with the police, and al…
In a functioning democracy, politics (i.e., the will of the people) should dictate the priorities for the police.
The corruption of said politics however is a different matter.
Re: Sweden closes four prisons as number of inmates plummets
#69Earlier quoted context omitted.
Providing statistics does not make you a racist. Providing false claims such as "crime is increasing relatively fast" (reported crimes decreased by 1% in 2012 compared to the year before) while trying to attribute this to immigrant groups does. As for statistics, people with little to no income are also "overrepresented" in crime. Who would have guessed.
Like somebody else said in the thread, look at crimes like homicide and theft, whose definition are uncontroversial. Crime is rising.
Well, the only crime that has a really uncontroversial definition would be criminal homicide (certainly a small number could be misattributed to suicide, but still - a dead person is a dead person, no "made up" charges, no non-filed charges). So... according to BRÅ (Crime-prevention council, the government agency in charge of crime-related statistics in Sweden, the following can be said about homicide in Sweden:
- The number of homicides (all kinds) in Sweden 2012 was 68. That is an all time low. - The average over the past 20 years is around 95 homicides per year (and declining) - Adding to that is that the Swedish population has risen with 10.5% the last 20 years (8.7M to 9.6M), meaning the per-capita crime rate has dropped even more - Especially noteworthy is the drop in homicides of children under 15
I would not say theft has an uncontroversial definition, at least not nearly as uncontroversial as homicide...
Re: Sweden closes four prisons as number of inmates plummets
#70Minor drug offenders are more often fined than jailed. A friend got caught in his apartment with a grow op, drying cannabis, illegal mushrooms, other drugs and he ended up serving no time at all. His time will be financial, he will have to pay off his debt to society literally instead of being incarcerated.
What sort of debt is that? It's well and good if it is something which has been approved by the lawmakers, courts and population, but I am skeptical of making offenders pay very large fines. In effect, it turns into a (potentially lifelong) punishment.
See e.g. the piratebay founders, none of which will ever be able to own property or any assets at all, seeing as even the interest payments on the damages they owe are more than the average salary. Sentencing someone to lifelong economic slavery is not a good thing in my book. It is a very, very harsh punishment. In effect, the piratebay founders have been sentenced to exile.