Wasn't there supposed to be a new UI with this release? When you Google "firefox new ui", the headlines all point to 25 having that. http://thenextweb.com/insider/2013/06/05/mozilla-is-planning...
Firefox 25 is released
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Re: Firefox 25 is released
#62Earlier quoted context omitted.
Haha, are you making a reference to this gem: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=765645 ?
No, but that thread is golden, and certainly captures the essence of the agent-sniffer. That is, if YHWH had ever heard of agent sniffing, he would do it all the time and complain bitterly whenever it breaks, which is also all the time . Like any skilled troll, YHWH kept me guessing as to whether he was actually trolling or not. Those mozilla folks have the patience of ages. Best response was: For future reference: l…
They might as well have been speaking Aramaic.
Someone named YHWH should probably be able to understand Aramaic! :)
Re: Firefox 25 is released
#63Chrome is better.
Re: Firefox 25 is released
#64Earlier quoted context omitted.
Haha, are you making a reference to this gem: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=765645 ?
Wow. So that's what a sense of entitlement looks like!
Entitlement and true idiocy. It was so entertaining to read because the author is moaning and bitching about using an experimental feature. Great candidate for being an IE6 advocate.
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#65Earlier quoted context omitted.
Super annoying, yes! I completely agree with you. It's not just Firefox being the culprit here though... .NET is the same, and so is Chrome, and the list can grow like a mayor's coat-tails! Also, here's a genuine usecase for a truly offline installer... What if you are the "resident software/pc maintainer" of your extended family.... In such a case, would it not make better sense to have one complete download, then c…
Each of the 3 systems you mention have reliable update mechanisms and a track record of not really breaking things on updates. Especially for consumer PCs, there doesn't need to be anything to keep up with.
Sigh Yes about those three.. But really, I just used those three as immediate illustrations and they are by no means the only ones doing this! And I am really not interested in offering a big list of all the software on my PC, that all do this online thingy, but are not similarly reliable as those three.
>> let's say you want to load it up, [snip] but without contaminating your normal environment.
Add-ons don't necessarily survive every upgrade, and take some time to catch up with the new release. Many people that I know, (in the family and outside) would rather wait on a new release than have one of their add-on break on them.
So, whatever way you put it, I am firm in my statement, that an offline installer should be a de-facto proviso, rather than being buried somewhere else.
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I think the stub is for an improved experience for the average user with slow internet access. You're likelier to download and run a 1MB file and then wait for the install to finish, than you are to wait for a 25MB file to finish downloading in the first place. (I wonder if they push the stub so as to collect more (system) information without having to say that it's Firefox itself that's collecting that information.)
I think it's mostly a tactic to mitigate, prevent, defend against denial of service, since the Mozilla user base is absolutely gigantic. My suspicion is that it's essentially a "security through obscurity" tactic, so that the majority of users are left with no choice but the "smart" installer, which offers greater control for load balancing heavy duty traffic during peak download periods. See also: http://news.ycombi…
Mozilla uses Akamai as their CDN. As big as Mozilla is, a Firefox release probably is not even visible on a bandwidth graph.
Re: Firefox 25 is released
#67I've been toying around with Auoera(sic) as a dev debugging tool lately and curious what the relationship between built-in dev tools and firebug is?
Re: Firefox 25 is released
#68I find it irritating that Mozilla now herds its Firefox users toward the Stub installer, and not the full offline-install redistributable binary. The actual download itself is available on the "Systems & Languages" page: > https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/all/ This kind of download is important, when you want to try out a new release, without committing yourself to it. For example, let's say you want to load it…
Defaulting to the stub is probably a security decision, so you don't end up installing the same old security holes every time you run an out-of-date installer. But they could probably make the full install easier to find for people who want it.
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#69Pleased to see they've backed off on the draconian Java restrictions. I now see (with an up-to-date plug-in) three options: always or never active, or ask to activate, with the latter then prompting as a one-time or remembered choice. This seems a much more reasonable balance between trying to protect security and making sure people can get work done than some of the other proposals in recent discussions.
They honestly had to though. their aggressive stance on plugins risked losing them significant market share in the Java-heavier parts of the world.
They couldn't let a few rogue cowboy-developers with an agenda and complete user disconnect overnight just ruin what Mozilla have spent decades building up.
Re: Firefox 25 is released
#70I find it irritating that Mozilla now herds its Firefox users toward the Stub installer, and not the full offline-install redistributable binary. The actual download itself is available on the "Systems & Languages" page: > https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/all/ This kind of download is important, when you want to try out a new release, without committing yourself to it. For example, let's say you want to load it…
Alternatively, you could wait for the folks over at PortableApps to update: http://portableapps.com/apps/internet/firefox_portable
This! I wanted to mention this, but since you already mentioned it, I will simply add my comments to yours....
The concept of PortableApps has been simply amazing! (FWIW, I donate to this project too, it's been really worthwhile having the platform).
I have begun to adopt this mechanism for some of my software maintenance strategy. Nowadays, I test the latest version of the updated "PortableApp" on my local copy on my machine first, and if all works well post-update, I ask others to choose the update. Else I simply tell them to uncheck the update until I can confirm that existing functionality remains unbroken. :)