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Re: Fury at Facebook as login requests “Government ID”

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Post by rmc »

alextingle wrote: post #16
aestetix wrote: post #3

Two comments on this: We started http://www.nymrights.org to combat issues like this. One of our long term goals is to get companies to adopt policies preventing data demands like this unless sufficient protections (read, laws) are in place. (if you're a company debating adopting such a policy, I'd love to chat!) Second, if you're European, check out the European Court of Human Rights, which offers protection against…

How would you formulate such a law? What does Germany's Telemedia Act actually say? I can refuse to let you into my house if you won't show me your passport. If you don't have a passport, then I can just refuse to let you in no matter what. How does that change if I'm running a business? Or a web-site? Surely it would be better to focus on supply rather than demand. If government ID is mandatory for everyone (e.g. Ge…

How would you formulate such a law? What does Germany's Telemedia Act actually say?

I can refuse to let you into my house if you won't show me your passport. If you don't have a passport, then I can just refuse to let you in no matter what. How does that change if I'm running a business? Or a web-site?

Well they basically say "It's illegal to ask for and store personal information like that". "Fine", you say, "I'll just deny you access unless you do this and that". "Fine", they say, "We'll see you in court".

It's like anti-discrimination law. Sure you're free to run a business, but there are legal limits to what you can do.

Re: Fury at Facebook as login requests “Government ID”

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Post by rmc »

aestetix wrote: post #3

Two comments on this: We started http://www.nymrights.org to combat issues like this. One of our long term goals is to get companies to adopt policies preventing data demands like this unless sufficient protections (read, laws) are in place. (if you're a company debating adopting such a policy, I'd love to chat!) Second, if you're European, check out the European Court of Human Rights, which offers protection against…

Second, if you're European, check out the European Court of Human Rights

I would suggest looking at the Data Protection law, rather than ECHR, since that takes many years. Everyone not in the USA and Canada with a Facebook account is covered by Irish Data Protection Law. Contact the Irish Data Protection Commissioner (or check their website) to see what your rights are http://dataprotection.ie/

Re: Fury at Facebook as login requests “Government ID”

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Post by crististm »

DominikR wrote: post #32

I am going to get a lot of downvotes for this but I am still curious to hear what solutions the HN community could come up with for the problem Facebook is facing: Some of the accounts have been hacked. You locked the accounts as a security measure. Now you need to validate that some person is the actual owner of the account. How would you solve this problem? (Sending a code via text message to the owners mobile devi…

Facebook's problems are their own. Why should HN community bother with their problems?

- What's wrong with secret questions?

Re: Fury at Facebook as login requests “Government ID”

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Post by Fuxy »

:)) I don't upload images/scans of important documents on the internet what makes Facebook think they're special.

I use my card online (because i have to) and I'm constantly checking my accounts for shady transactions but there's no way in hell I share my id on the internet.

Every bit-coin website that asked for this lost my business and if Facebook does the same will happen to them.

Re: Fury at Facebook as login requests “Government ID”

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Post by tabookfaced »

Tarang wrote: post #21
ohwp wrote: post #8

What amazes me even more is that almost all of those people are screaming an shouting and are entering the ID the next day and forget about it.

Thats the problem. I wish people would care more about their data. Lots of us who build stuff are more aware of how stuff works and the repercussions of putting data up just once.

that's the beauty of it, once they've started providing data and build contacts using the service, you can require more identifying data and they will provide it not to lose what they already invested. Even threatening to lock them out of their data will work.

It's a common escalation in scams and emotional abuse.

Re: Fury at Facebook as login requests “Government ID”

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Post by ubernostrum »

andyjohnson0 wrote: post #53
dan1234 wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The UK issues both passports and photographic driving licences. Most people will have at least one of those.

Yes, but there is no requirement to have one. UK law doesn't even require a person to have a name.

There is no legal requirement in the US to have a picture ID card, either. Unless you want to drive. Or, in an increasing number of states, vote. Or get on a plane without a ton of hassle. Or... well, you get the idea.

It is possible for something to be "not legally required" but still have a very high degree of adoption due to the inconvenience caused by not having it.

Re: Fury at Facebook as login requests “Government ID”

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Post by Pretzels »

gailees wrote: post #60
frio wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe. This is rapidly becoming less true. I had to give a talk at a school the other day ("tech is cool, join the tech industry!") and the bulk of the students didn't have Facebook accounts -- because their parents are on it. Maybe that'll change when they reach a University age, but it was striking how few of them used it.

Instagram is taking over amongst young people.

Or snapchat.

Re: Fury at Facebook as login requests “Government ID”

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Post by adventured »

algorias wrote: post #2

With each passing day, I look less and less like a lunatic for avoiding facebook (and its ilk) like the plague. You should try it.

I have been contemplating dumping Facebook more and more as the year goes on. I've used it probably every day for six plus years. I've gradually come to the conclusion that I can live without it and can easily keep up with all of my friends and family.

There's so much trash, hostility and political arguing on Facebook these days, at least on my network. Some days it reminds me of a dramatically bigger version of MySpace.

Re: Fury at Facebook as login requests “Government ID”

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Post by harryf »

vincie wrote: post #48
algorias wrote: post #2

With each passing day, I look less and less like a lunatic for avoiding facebook (and its ilk) like the plague. You should try it.

I hear ya. And you know, I've come across a few morons who insinuated to me that I am anti-social and have Aspergers' because of my resistance to using Facebook. I think this is the genesis of it all: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2184658/Is-joining-F...

All privacy questions aside, I quit Facebook simply because every time I used it, the "after taste" was that I'd wasted my time and made myself stupider in the process.

The good news is "real life" still works perfectly fine for social interactions and a positive side effect is another source of distractions eliminated - I'm a fan of http://focusmanifesto.com/

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