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Lou Reed, Velvet Underground Leader and Rock Pioneer, Dead at 71

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Re: Lou Reed, Velvet Underground Leader and Rock Pioneer, Dead at 71

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Post by kyro »

cprncus wrote: post #57
kyro wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree. This submission has taken up about an entire half an inch of screen real estate, and seeing as how Apple hasn't yet offered a Macbook Air with a larger display, I can't really give up that much space. What's worse is the js script HN seems to be running that forces your mouse cursor to gravitate towards links of celebrity news.

It's not that my time and reading effort is so valuable (it isn't). It's that news forums are as valuable as they are curated to be on topic. With your argument, everyone could just post anything, such as what Justin B had for lunch, and I could just scroll down, right?

Absolutely. People can post news about what the Biebster had for lunch, and if stories of Lunchables pizza with a glass of chocolate milk resonated with the hackers here to the point where it ended up on the front page, I'd have no problem with it.

Loosen up. People here are human with shared interests that go beyond interpreters and cloud computing. To have one story about a celebrity death hit the front page every so often isn't a big deal. And saying that, the entire front page was covered in stories about Job's death for a couple of days, but we survived. We're here, stronger, more alive than ever.

Re: Lou Reed, Velvet Underground Leader and Rock Pioneer, Dead at 71

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Post by elliottcarlson »

cprncus wrote: post #57
kyro wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree. This submission has taken up about an entire half an inch of screen real estate, and seeing as how Apple hasn't yet offered a Macbook Air with a larger display, I can't really give up that much space. What's worse is the js script HN seems to be running that forces your mouse cursor to gravitate towards links of celebrity news.

It's not that my time and reading effort is so valuable (it isn't). It's that news forums are as valuable as they are curated to be on topic. With your argument, everyone could just post anything, such as what Justin B had for lunch, and I could just scroll down, right?

Or you can understand that a community will vote as they see fit, and some news items that are not to your liking may make it to the front page. If you disagree with the community, then I am sure you can find a more appropriate one elsewhere that might be able to meet every need you have, as opposed to one that might occasionally have something that does not interest you. With your 48 days on the site, I am sure it won't be hard to make the decision on where you want to get your news from.

Re: Lou Reed, Velvet Underground Leader and Rock Pioneer, Dead at 71

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Post by zorpner »

cprncus wrote: post #58
tomasien wrote: post #37

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I came to this comment thread just to find this comment and downvote it, because I KNEW it would be here.

Happy to oblige. I look forward to the Perez Hiltification of the forum...

You dismissed an entirely relevant link because you are allowing your biases to blind you, and are actively missing an opportunity to learn about someone who actually embodied the hacker mindset, because you do not have it.

Re: Lou Reed, Velvet Underground Leader and Rock Pioneer, Dead at 71

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Post by mkr-hn »

cprncus wrote: post #2

I don't see how general celebrity deaths are hacker news. I would like to read about tech and computer news and ideas; if I wanted this, I would read general news sites.

The endless bickering over whether or not it's HN material is a lot more annoying than a single entry on the front page. And much harder to scroll past. It took three whacks of Page Down to reach the bottom.

Re: Lou Reed, Velvet Underground Leader and Rock Pioneer, Dead at 71

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Post by Permit »

auxbuss wrote: post #27
cprncus wrote: post #2

I don't see how general celebrity deaths are hacker news. I would like to read about tech and computer news and ideas; if I wanted this, I would read general news sites.

This isn't a celebrity death. It's Lou Reed. Music Hacker.

This is absolutely ridiculous. It doesn't take much effort to make anyone sound like a hacker.

Eg. Paris Hilton is a "Media Hacker" because she's managed to create a successful brand for herself despite not having traits commonly seen in successful celebrities (a talent in acting or a talent in music).

This might be an accurate description, but I don't want to see Paris Hilton news on Hacker News.

Re: Lou Reed, Velvet Underground Leader and Rock Pioneer, Dead at 71

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Post by twerquie »

xzel wrote: post #52
ssharp wrote: post #49

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Kanye has been pretty honest about his abilities as a producer. He was always a chopped-up samples producer and started bringing in musicians and other producers to layer original instrumentation over his samples on his first album. That style evolved with each subsequent album, with his albums prior to Yeezus being extremely orchestrated and huge. There is absolutely no-doubt that Kanye is the ringleader in this. He…

"but he's putting it all together and making it cohesive" No, that was Rick Rubin who did that. So we know Kanye isn't a great rapper (he's had many songs Ghost written and I think its a pretty common belief among hip-hop heads) and you say he can't produce well? What can he do well? I don't have the time to go through it all unless you really want me to, but your last post was riddled with fallacies and pretty biase…

There are two meanings of "producer" at play here: a) he who cuts a beat, b) he who produces an album. Kanye was limited yet very successful at A, and he may be the best in his field at B.

Kanye may not be the world's best rapper, but he is no slouch, and to be producing (both meanings) in the capacity he does at the same time is staggering. I like to tell people it's as if Martin Scorsese played the lead role in all of his own movies.

From everything I've read, Rick Rubin arrived late to the project and edited a mountain of work down into a short album.

Re: Lou Reed, Velvet Underground Leader and Rock Pioneer, Dead at 71

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Post by batbomb »

chimeracoder wrote: post #31
mcphilip wrote: post #6

RIP Lou Reed, one of my favorite musicians. The song Heroin has so much dissonance and noise throughout that it's almost revolting to listen to. Over time it grew into one of my favorite songs in that I learned to find beauty in the clash of consonance and dissonance. At the risk of hyperbole, that mindset of finding something new from the conflict of opposing forces is something that now applies in far more areas of…

I came here specifically hoping that someone had already mentioned the song "Heroin". I got chills the first time I heard it, and I still do. I think my favorite Velvet Underground song would have to be "Here She Comes Now", because I get the same feeling from Kurt Cobain's cover of it[0]. > Over time it grew into one of my favorite songs in that I learned to find beauty in the clash of consonance and dissonance. Do…

Just Like Honey reminds me of VU.

Heroin is great, but other songs like Pale Blue Eyes make me tingle more

Re: Lou Reed, Velvet Underground Leader and Rock Pioneer, Dead at 71

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Post by lignuist »

Sandman wrote: post #59
lignuist wrote: post #19

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It's hacker news because hackers upvoted it.

Wrong. The guidelines aren't that clear on what hacker news is , but they're quite clear on what hacker news isn't. Just because people upvote something, that doesn't automatically make it hacker news. Having said that, rest in peace Lou Reed. Your music was a big part of my life.

> Wrong. The guidelines aren't that clear on what hacker news is, but they're quite clear on what hacker news isn't.

The guidelines are not defining "hacker news" (or "not hacker news") at all. There is only a section which is called "What to submit" and both definitions (On-topic and off-topic) leave a lot space for interpretation. At the end it is really determined by the votes what is interesting to hackers (or the readers of HN) and what not. If something is breaking the rules, the mods would jump in - especially when an article is on top of the frontpage.

Actually I find those pointless "why is this on HN" comments a lot more off-topic than upvoted links (= interesting to more readers than the other options) that are not strictly computer- or startup-related.

People who want to dictate others what to post or upvote on HN and what not, should probably become mod or pg.

Re: Lou Reed, Velvet Underground Leader and Rock Pioneer, Dead at 71

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Post by draegtun »

Surprised but deeply heartened see this at top of HN. I'm a long time fan of Lou Reed and was extremely saddened when I heard of his passing earlier today. Good to know his music and life also had strong effect on other hackers.

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