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Re: How to attract girls to the tech industry

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> I've met several people in the UK who weren't able to study what they want because they had the wrong A-levels. // Presumably you mean weren't able to access the particular course+institution they wanted. Could you give some more details? It's a balance I suppose, either allow for early specialisation and get a head start or retain a broad spread and retain greater choice. That said I was able to do some Art Histor…

I admit I don't really know how the system works. My impression was that people can only study subjects they also had for A-Levels (or maybe related subjects, as defined by a university)? The people I met were all from UCL, so perhaps it was just that they wanted to get into specific universities and that made them compromise? Are the A-Levels really giving much of a head start? When I studied maths, it was really mu…

Disclosure, I'm a science postgrad at UCL.

You're a bit limited with A levels, 'normal' load is 3, most undergrads in top institutions take 4 or even 5. I took a standard physics/engineer's load: double maths, physics and chemistry. I also took AS computing, but it bored the pants off me quite frankly. An ideal loadout for A level would be maths plus any two other subjects. I would be willing to be that most courses may overlook anything else, but maths is usually the bare requirement.

For science courses, you almost certainly have to have taken the pre-requisite A level. For non-science subjects, you don't need any particular qualifications besides a set of A levels at defined grade points. Some exceptions are for music, languages and arts where you'll probably have an entrance exam of some type. Oxbridge make applicants sit entrance papers for almost all subjects these days.

Point being - you only have to make compromises if the university you set your heart on forces it. Even Oxford and Cambridge generally don't specify subjects unless you're going for a science degree.

Maths/Further Maths was incredibly useful and coasted me through the first year of my degree. Most universities compensate for the fact that not all schools teach further maths (hence why first year physics is a cakewalk if you've done it). Standard maths is basic calculus, bit of series, that kind of thing. Further maths is much more advanced and introduces matrices, complex numbers, differential equations and higher levels of statistics and mechanics. Particularly for physics, knowing about matrices and complex numbers was a massive head start. At college you're still in rote-learning mode where someone shoves 100 equations in front of you and says "Solve". Most people don't have that kind of motivation at university, but it is incredibly effective at drilling in knowledge in something like maths.

The physics I learned at that time was fluff, chemistry and biology was memorisation. I can't speak for humanities, but languages seemed fairly rigorous and a big step up from secondary school.

Re: How to attract girls to the tech industry

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> "Some schools, often girl-only schools, simply don't offer ICT [information and communications technology] at A-level and the girls wanting to do it have to go to a nearby boys school to learn it," she says. For what it's worth, I went to a public magnet school for computers, AND a private school in which every person had a laptop. I learned nothing of tech in either school, and I taught myself everything I know. (…

I think IT just gets a lot of press and coverage of people who got rich. Computers are nice because you don't need a huge factory to start something. However, let's take an archaic example: sewing. I think you can also get rich sewing, for example by designing a popular fashion line or creating a popular brand. I am not even sure it is easier to get rich with computers than with sewing, or if more people are getting…

Curiously, most of the bio-researchers I know are women... but apparently we should get them to drop out and start writing Javascript.

(This is just one more danger of trying to push people towards a subject - you risk alienating the other subjects they would have naturally been attracted to and possibly enjoyed more)

Re: How to attract girls to the tech industry

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Lets attract girls to construction and building jobs, and attract men to nursing and child care jobs as well. What can we do about that? These issues go hand in hand, they are the same. In my opinion it is bad taste to focus only on the tech industry. Go all in or go home.

And perhaps over on the "nursing news" website they are actually doing this. We're in tech. Let's sort our own back yards out before pointing fingers at others'.

It wasnt my intention to point fingers at others, it was to point to the thread article that the problem is more widespread and thus general than for the tech industry, and any good solution must be founded with such an analasis in mind that is applicable for all.

Re: How to attract girls to the tech industry

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Interesting theory, but do you also account for the tiered nature of IT jobs? (Tiered w.r.t domain/difficulty/etc)

The general public unthinking consumer type is of the opinion there exists only one type of IT person. We all are experts on removing viruses from their windows machines and purchasing the "best" PC or phone, etc. Career decisions are usually made by kids who are legendary for poor decision making in general and are (intentionally?) not very well informed. It would be interesting to compare the choices made by kids w…

But surely, an adult who makes a conscious decision to enter the CS/IT field knows about the different domains in a much more real sense. Why would a woman not choose a CS career path in that case? She would know the difference between a technically challenging programmer position vs a support desk job.

Re: How to attract girls to the tech industry

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The general public unthinking consumer type is of the opinion there exists only one type of IT person. We all are experts on removing viruses from their windows machines and purchasing the "best" PC or phone, etc. Career decisions are usually made by kids who are legendary for poor decision making in general and are (intentionally?) not very well informed. It would be interesting to compare the choices made by kids w…

But surely, an adult who makes a conscious decision to enter the CS/IT field knows about the different domains in a much more real sense. Why would a woman not choose a CS career path in that case? She would know the difference between a technically challenging programmer position vs a support desk job.

The humans I've run into who didn't choose a IT career path definitely know nothing about the difference between programmer, sysadmin, and helpdesk, not even that the differences exist. If I didn't have an uncle in the biz I wouldn't even know there's a categorization of rough/structural carpenters and finish carpenters. I don't think most people make career decisions based on extensive rational data gathering of the whole human experience of work before picking a career.
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