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Re: D3 visualization of San Francisco BART employees' salaries and union membership

#61

Post by discardorama »

zorpner wrote: post #48
samstave wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here is my perspective as a daily BART rider where 99% of the time I also have a bike, as well as often travelling with small kids/strollers (Forgive my BART Rage): If you have ever taken a BART elevator; every single BART employee should be fired, here is why: BART elevators, in 100% of my experience over the years has been a cesspool covered in urine and who knows what. EVERY time I take the elevator - I hit the em…

> I hit the emergency help button and complain about the stench, the state of the service. Please stop wasting everyone's time with your abuse of the emergency help button. Your problem is not an emergency. Additionally, you do not "have to pay" for the experience, you choose to do so.

> Additionally, you do not "have to pay" for the experience, you choose to do so.

Actually, we _all_ have to pay, even if don't ride BART. There's a 0.5% sales tax addon to fund BART in the Bay Area. Next time, check your facts.

Re: D3 visualization of San Francisco BART employees' salaries and union membership

#62

Post by discardorama »

throwaway86 wrote: post #58
samstave wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The last time I used the piss-laden elevator with my children there was a homeless person convulsing on the platform of embarcaderro station. You have no clue what you're talking about - Bart is broken and their staff are near useless. I'm not wasting time and your a pretentious jerk for trying to tell me "I don't have to pay for their service"

Actually, you're the pretentious one here, using a device specifically labeled for emergencies to complain at someone every day about the cleanliness of the elevator. They're telling you it's not their job because you're ringing the fucking police , not custodial staff. You are diverting police resources away from, you know, responding to rapes and stabbings because you're a precious snowflake that can't handle a bit…

> Those of us that ride BART daily ....

and then

> I hated people like you when I commuted daily on BART.

Which is it? Do you take the BART daily or not?

Re: D3 visualization of San Francisco BART employees' salaries and union membership

#63

Post by throwaway86 »

discardorama wrote: post #62
throwaway86 wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually, you're the pretentious one here, using a device specifically labeled for emergencies to complain at someone every day about the cleanliness of the elevator. They're telling you it's not their job because you're ringing the fucking police , not custodial staff. You are diverting police resources away from, you know, responding to rapes and stabbings because you're a precious snowflake that can't handle a bit…

> Those of us that ride BART daily .... and then > I hated people like you when I commuted daily on BART. Which is it? Do you take the BART daily or not?

When I took my new position, I stopped because it's in the peninsula. It was a recent transition. Before that I rode it daily for years. I'm not sure what you're getting at; in the first instance I'm referencing an aggregate group that I consider myself a part of.

Re: D3 visualization of San Francisco BART employees' salaries and union membership

#64

Post by samstave »

throwaway86 wrote: post #58
samstave wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The last time I used the piss-laden elevator with my children there was a homeless person convulsing on the platform of embarcaderro station. You have no clue what you're talking about - Bart is broken and their staff are near useless. I'm not wasting time and your a pretentious jerk for trying to tell me "I don't have to pay for their service"

Actually, you're the pretentious one here, using a device specifically labeled for emergencies to complain at someone every day about the cleanliness of the elevator. They're telling you it's not their job because you're ringing the fucking police , not custodial staff. You are diverting police resources away from, you know, responding to rapes and stabbings because you're a precious snowflake that can't handle a bit…

You're being an ass: If you are in an elevator, there is a button to call the agent. This is THE ONLY BUTTON to all the agent. When you are in a confined room with an infant and a 2 year old and the space is covered in piss and god-knows what else - it is perfectly appropriate to us that button to complain about the hygiene, cleanliness and SAFTEY of that space.

In the event of an overdosing homeless person outside the elevator upon arriving to the platform level, it is again appropriate - and to demand that BART keep these services not only functional - but at a level of accepted cleanliness should not be some ridiculous request.

>It's a public transportation service, not your personal train. Hop off your horse, get in line with the rest of us and shut up, or go on Craigslist and buy a car, for crying out loud. You're a technologist. You can afford one.

Re: D3 visualization of San Francisco BART employees' salaries and union membership

#65

Post by throwaway86 »

samstave wrote: post #64
throwaway86 wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually, you're the pretentious one here, using a device specifically labeled for emergencies to complain at someone every day about the cleanliness of the elevator. They're telling you it's not their job because you're ringing the fucking police , not custodial staff. You are diverting police resources away from, you know, responding to rapes and stabbings because you're a precious snowflake that can't handle a bit…

You're being an ass: If you are in an elevator, there is a button to call the agent. This is THE ONLY BUTTON to all the agent. When you are in a confined room with an infant and a 2 year old and the space is covered in piss and god-knows what else - it is perfectly appropriate to us that button to complain about the hygiene, cleanliness and SAFTEY of that space. In the event of an overdosing homeless person outside t…

> You're being an ass:

Call someone a pretentious jerk but get it back and suddenly that person's an ass. Got it.

> This is THE ONLY BUTTON to all the agent.

That button contacts BART police dispatch in some cases because stations do not always have operators. Particularly in my old home station, I've seen people use it and communicate with someone while the station agent was not in the kiosk. That's the expectation around something labeled "emergency." Give me your pager number so I can page you at 2am to complain about reading your comment.

Do you ever listen to yourself? Seriously, I was being brutally honest. Your comment ranks among the most pretentious and awful I've ever read on HN, and I received a link to it in an e-mail thread where the subject was you. There is no plane of existence where anything you have typed in this thread is normal, rational human behavior.

Do you have any idea what would happen if you pulled this stunt on the New York subway? NYPD would probably paralyze you with a night stick for abusing resources while New Yorkers recorded it with their cell phones. And I've stepped around human shit in the stairwell in New York. And you know what? I don't care! I didn't rage! I didn't vent on HN! I accepted that bad things happen in the world and who gives a flying fuck, and went on my day without sparing two brain cycles except laughing about it later. Who cares? Keep on clenching and frothing at the mouth over every little inconvenience and you're going to die by 50. Relax.

It's public transportation. It's going to be bad. Universally. That's the rule. Wake up into reality, carry hand sanitizer, and focus on things that actually matter. If you're worried about your kids seeing a homeless person because oh no think of their precious beliefs and ideals, drive them where they need to go. Come on. You're better than this.

Re: D3 visualization of San Francisco BART employees' salaries and union membership

#66

Post by w_t_payne »

dagw wrote: post #35
rmc wrote: post #12

USA is weird. How come you can get this data on people's personal lives? Why do you not have privacy laws?

In Norway and Sweden this data is available for all people, not just public employees. The US is a bastion of sensibility in comparison.

I can see the attraction. Actually, I think it is a good idea. We should do it in the UK too ... although people are traditionally a bit weird about money here, so I can't see it happening.

Re: D3 visualization of San Francisco BART employees' salaries and union membership

#67

Post by Domenic_S »

digikata wrote: post #42
nonchalance wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be fair, that information isn't private. It is available for anyone to find.

I don't think any laws were violated, and I understand the oversight justification in general. However, I find this salary data is fairly specific, when compared to other budget/spending data released by cities and school districts (at least my local ones). I'd actually prefer much more detail on non-payroll spending, particularly with public spending on sub-contracted companies.

Oh man, you'll hate this: http://salary.sanjoseca.gov/salary/

Re: D3 visualization of San Francisco BART employees' salaries and union membership

#68

Post by dragonwriter »

samstave wrote: post #64
throwaway86 wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually, you're the pretentious one here, using a device specifically labeled for emergencies to complain at someone every day about the cleanliness of the elevator. They're telling you it's not their job because you're ringing the fucking police , not custodial staff. You are diverting police resources away from, you know, responding to rapes and stabbings because you're a precious snowflake that can't handle a bit…

You're being an ass: If you are in an elevator, there is a button to call the agent. This is THE ONLY BUTTON to all the agent. When you are in a confined room with an infant and a 2 year old and the space is covered in piss and god-knows what else - it is perfectly appropriate to us that button to complain about the hygiene, cleanliness and SAFTEY of that space. In the event of an overdosing homeless person outside t…

> If you are in an elevator, there is a button to call the agent. This is THE ONLY BUTTON to all the agent.

The emergency call button is the only button to call the agent because the only reason to call the agent is to report an emergency.

> it is perfectly appropriate to us that button to complain about the hygiene, cleanliness and SAFTEY of that space.

No, its not. It is appropriate (and more likely to be effective) to complain about non-emergency problems of this type by other mechanisms, but it is neither appropriate nor effective to use the emergency call button to complain about it.

> In the event of an overdosing homeless person outside the elevator upon arriving to the platform level, it is again appropriate

Well, yes, that is an emergency.

> and to demand that BART keep these services not only functional - but at a level of accepted cleanliness should not be some ridiculous request.

The demand is not ridiculous. The use of the emergency call button to make the demand is.

Re: D3 visualization of San Francisco BART employees' salaries and union membership

#69

Post by samstave »

throwaway86 wrote: post #65
samstave wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're being an ass: If you are in an elevator, there is a button to call the agent. This is THE ONLY BUTTON to all the agent. When you are in a confined room with an infant and a 2 year old and the space is covered in piss and god-knows what else - it is perfectly appropriate to us that button to complain about the hygiene, cleanliness and SAFTEY of that space. In the event of an overdosing homeless person outside t…

> You're being an ass: Call someone a pretentious jerk but get it back and suddenly that person's an ass. Got it. > This is THE ONLY BUTTON to all the agent. That button contacts BART police dispatch in some cases because stations do not always have operators. Particularly in my old home station, I've seen people use it and communicate with someone while the station agent was not in the kiosk. That's the expectation…

>Do you ever listen to yourself? Seriously, I was being brutally honest. Your comment ranks among the most pretentious and awful I've ever read on HN, and I received a link to it in an e-mail thread where the subject was you. There is no plane of existence where anything you have typed in this thread is normal, rational human behavior.

Seriously? Calling the emergency when I come out of a piss-filled elevator to a body convulsing on the floor on the platform is not an emergency? And when I am attempting to bring small children through a public service elevator where there is real risk of infectious disease? Complaining about this is "on no plane of existence rational"???

You're deluded.

Re: D3 visualization of San Francisco BART employees' salaries and union membership

#70

Post by throwaway86 »

samstave wrote: post #69
throwaway86 wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You're being an ass: Call someone a pretentious jerk but get it back and suddenly that person's an ass. Got it. > This is THE ONLY BUTTON to all the agent. That button contacts BART police dispatch in some cases because stations do not always have operators. Particularly in my old home station, I've seen people use it and communicate with someone while the station agent was not in the kiosk. That's the expectation…

> Do you ever listen to yourself? Seriously, I was being brutally honest. Your comment ranks among the most pretentious and awful I've ever read on HN, and I received a link to it in an e-mail thread where the subject was you. There is no plane of existence where anything you have typed in this thread is normal, rational human behavior. Seriously? Calling the emergency when I come out of a piss-filled elevator to a b…

> Calling the emergency when I come out of a piss-filled elevator to a body convulsing on the floor on the platform is not an emergency?

Yes, it is, and good for you for doing something. Minus the piss-filled elevator part, which is an irrelevant detail.

> And when I am attempting to bring small children through a public service elevator where there is real risk of infectious disease?

No, it isn't. The difference between these two was pointed out to you elsewhere, and now you're just being obtuse. Take the stairs. They're good for you. There are foldable strollers. I have a toddler and we love the stairs. He makes a game out of them.

I feel like I'm teaching second grade here, but an emergent situation is when someone is in immediate danger. Someone having a seizure is in danger. You using an elevator with contaminants in it is not an emergent situation. You probably need some education about when it's appropriate to call 911, as well.

> You're deluded.

Sigh.

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