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Trent Reznor Quits Web 2.0, Offers Cutting Advice To Haters

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Re: Trent Reznor Quits Web 2.0, Offers Cutting Advice To Haters

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My favorite line: "...the [social media] experiment seems to have yielded a result. Idiots rule."

It's not that social media has failed but rather Trent is realizing that his audience contains many antisocial malcontents and now he's recoiling in horror.

On the unfiltered internet -every- audience gets quickly dominated by antisocial malcontents.

So there's no way to infer from their presence whether they're a representative sample. I mean, people troll and spew racial slurs on -home improvement sites-. I don't think that means Whirlpool and Bob Villa themselves attract the dregs.

Re: Trent Reznor Quits Web 2.0, Offers Cutting Advice To Haters

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> A link would have sufficed. Maybe it was self protection against edits or deletion for the original post.

And maybe I need the source code to Windows just in case they change something that I didn't want them to change.

Maybe you do. That's solidly among the reasons some of us use open software.

Re: Trent Reznor Quits Web 2.0, Offers Cutting Advice To Haters

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Given Trent's recent sentiments on Web2.0 I took it upon myself to transcribe his feelings to you by rewriting the chorus for his first smash hit, Head Like A Hole from the album Pretty Hate Machine . web two point oh black as your soul he'd rather die than give trolls control [orig] http://www.lyricsfreak.com/n/nine+inch+nails/head+like+a+hol...

Awesome!

Re: Trent Reznor Quits Web 2.0, Offers Cutting Advice To Haters

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Mark, how come your blog's empty? Something to do with those fans?

Mark, how come your blog's empty? Something to do with those fans? No, nothing like that. I did have the intention of writing some essays on the site (I really just registered the domain to have my name as a TLD and for the email) but I've been working on my startup, so really haven't made the time to write essays. It's not really a priority right now, whereas the startup is.

During the campaign to get Rick Astley voted as Best Act Ever for last years MTV Europe Music Awards, I started receiving large volumes of hate mail from one or two of Astley's fans (I've never seen anything quite like it before or since... and I've seen some pretty angry emails).

Nice rant, and that line is particularly striking. You'd think the fans would be favoring such an award for Rick, given they were his fans. They were jealous some new groupies would get to him first, likely. But to be such strong fans for Rick 20 years later: indicates added lunancy. Sheesh, you got Rick Rolled and a half: why would you want Astley to receive such an award? I mean back in the day Rick's music was commercially successful, today it's scene style-wise as a caricature to be mocked. Bizarre to the max.

Re: Trent Reznor Quits Web 2.0, Offers Cutting Advice To Haters

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post #56

Given Trent's recent sentiments on Web2.0 I took it upon myself to transcribe his feelings to you by rewriting the chorus for his first smash hit, Head Like A Hole from the album Pretty Hate Machine . web two point oh black as your soul he'd rather die than give trolls control [orig] http://www.lyricsfreak.com/n/nine+inch+nails/head+like+a+hol...

Wow that's really good. You should spend the rest of today finishing the entire song =)

Re: Trent Reznor Quits Web 2.0, Offers Cutting Advice To Haters

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post #56

Given Trent's recent sentiments on Web2.0 I took it upon myself to transcribe his feelings to you by rewriting the chorus for his first smash hit, Head Like A Hole from the album Pretty Hate Machine . web two point oh black as your soul he'd rather die than give trolls control [orig] http://www.lyricsfreak.com/n/nine+inch+nails/head+like+a+hol...

Wow that's really good. You should spend the rest of today finishing the entire song =)

I dunno about the rest of the day, but by all means, you should feel free take the lyrical reigns of parody too and finish some other verse. . .there's a little Weird Al in all of us. :D

Re: Trent Reznor Quits Web 2.0, Offers Cutting Advice To Haters

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post #7

One thought after reading this: Troll filtering is a big, wide open market.

http://www.socialmod.com/

They're solving a different problem. There's a whole class of trolling that's impossible to identify out of context.

Re: Trent Reznor Quits Web 2.0, Offers Cutting Advice To Haters

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post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mark, how come your blog's empty? Something to do with those fans? No, nothing like that. I did have the intention of writing some essays on the site (I really just registered the domain to have my name as a TLD and for the email) but I've been working on my startup, so really haven't made the time to write essays. It's not really a priority right now, whereas the startup is.

During the campaign to get Rick Astley voted as Best Act Ever for last years MTV Europe Music Awards, I started receiving large volumes of hate mail from one or two of Astley's fans (I've never seen anything quite like it before or since... and I've seen some pretty angry emails). Nice rant, and that line is particularly striking. You'd think the fans would be favoring such an award for Rick, given they were his fans…

They were jealous some new groupies would get to him first, likely.

I'd say so, from the content of some of the emails, they were annoyed because they were his fans first and yet we managed to accomplish something in a short amount of time, 20 years after the fact.

I'm guessing these particular people were getting annoyed because they didn't get any recognition for being his fans. I particularly saw their posts on his official forums after he had won... Trying to take a lot of the credit for what really was achieved by nearly half a million people that we managed to get using the autovoting program during october of last year (that I could measure anyway).

It could be higher for all I know, although that being said, I do have the figures for how many votes he did get from MTV themselves and it was nothing short of substantial.

Re: Trent Reznor Quits Web 2.0, Offers Cutting Advice To Haters

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Quite right, and that's got a lot to do with NIN's style of music. You wouldn't expect Lionel Ritchie to experience the same thing if he emulated Reznor online. He'd probably get some middle-aged air-heads but no suicidal mischief-makers.

You wouldn't expect Lionel Ritchie to experience the same thing if he emulated Reznor online. Well, having been on the receiving end of something I thought I'd share my experience. There are raving lunatic fans all around the place, regardless of what genre the artists are in. During the campaign to get Rick Astley voted as Best Act Ever for last years MTV Europe Music Awards, I started receiving large volumes of hat…

> Some sort of centralised system for verified identities online with a simple API that people could plug into their forums/comment systems on blogs.

This would not even be particularly hard; the infrastructure already exists in the form of SSL certificate issuance/verification.

PGP keysigning is supposed to accomplish the same thing but has never seemed to work as well in my experience. It's a lot easier to just pay $20 to Thawte or Verisign and send them copies of some identity documents than to chase down volunteers and get them to verify you. (Not because there's anything wrong with the volunteers, but I always feel like I'm imposing, in a way that I don't with Verisign.)

And if the cost component to SSL/X.509 is problematic, there's always CACert -- they have a fairly rigorous system for identity verification (at least on par with the commercial issuers), using either trusted third parties or a web-of-trust -- and they don't charge for it.

I think there are JS libraries around already for doing S/MIME signing in-browser; you could build that in to a comment form and just reject anything that wasn't signed with a trustworthy certificate bearing a real name (not "Thawte Freemail Member" or something similarly generic).

Of course you'd lose 99.9% of prospective contributors, but that's the case with any barrier to entry that removes anonymity. People aren't going to join something like that unless the content is really good.

Re: Trent Reznor Quits Web 2.0, Offers Cutting Advice To Haters

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One thought after reading this: Troll filtering is a big, wide open market.

And there are plenty of places to train your algorithm

...but lots of disagreement as to exactly which ones are the trolls.
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