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'Tor Stinks' presentation – read the full document

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#61
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Page 5: "Terrorist with Tor client installed" And its a picture of a guy with a bandit mask and an AK-47. I don't know about you guys, but all my Tor activities are performed in my Halloween costume! I honestly can't believe something this tacky would end up in a presentation. Is this supposed to be propaganda?

If they built a Star Trek bridge replica to sell the idea of the NSA to the congress, they can do this too

http://americablog.com/2013/09/nsa-outrage-star-trek-bridge....

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#62
post #42

Why are these latest NSA stories getting flagged so much? I don't like that PG has relaxed the flagging so much. You can probably flag even tens of stories a day now without having your flagging removed.

I wonder, if you flag too much, do you get a 'querulant' flag yourself that makes the site ignore your flags? :-D I would totaly implement something like that if I were PG. Seems to fit the mindset of HN, as it also uses hellbans.

Nope, the flag link disappears when you flag "badly".

Re: 'Tor Stinks' presentation – read the full document

#63
post #4

Page 5: "Terrorist with Tor client installed" And its a picture of a guy with a bandit mask and an AK-47. I don't know about you guys, but all my Tor activities are performed in my Halloween costume! I honestly can't believe something this tacky would end up in a presentation. Is this supposed to be propaganda?

Especially... I can't imagine this is clip art. Someone must have sat down and drawn that to order. That must be a really wierd job, doing tacky but still sophisticated illustrations for top secret internal presentations.

It's from some kind of character generator software package.

You pick a 'beard' and drag it onto the person, etc.

This similar looking one is all over the internet:

http://www.iconshock.com/img_jpg/SUPERVISTA/networking/jpg/2...

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#64
post #4

Page 5: "Terrorist with Tor client installed" And its a picture of a guy with a bandit mask and an AK-47. I don't know about you guys, but all my Tor activities are performed in my Halloween costume! I honestly can't believe something this tacky would end up in a presentation. Is this supposed to be propaganda?

and a beard... like terrorists can be stereotyped like that. This is more than just propaganda, this is the mentality of the type of people who put these presentations together. That fact that whoever wrote this presentation has profiled people like this. I would wager that 99% of online "terrorists" are sitting around in jeans and t-shirts, on safe soil, have probably never handled a gun, let alone an AK-47 (or what…

And banks don't actually keep money in big cloth bags with dollar signs on them. It's just clip art, and to say that it speaks to the mindset of a type of people you probably don't really know much about. I would hasten to say that your stereotypes are probably no more grounded in reality than those of the straw men your attacking.

>"If you look at the world around us and review the history of terrorism, most of it's been funded behind the scenes by one of the major superpowers, and you can't overlook the fact that a large portion of this has been by backed by the US."

While this assertion is not completely baseless, it's simply not correct, but is the kind of empty-headed moral equivalence that gets tossed around to unanimous approval among a certain class who consider a shibboleth of sophistication.

To wit, in the history of terrorism, we see the Irish Republican Army, The Tamil Tigers, the Red Brigade, the Weather Underground, FALN, Baader Meinhof group, the Symbionese Liberation Army, the current Chechen groups, the Hindu and Muslim groups prior to the formation of Pakistan, and frankly many more -- all without super power support. While some national actors have stepped up to support terror groups, superpower, or even great power support has been the exception rather than the rule.

During the cold war, the USSR, the US and China fought a number of proxy wars, and supported opposition groups in various national civil wars, mostly in Asia, Africa and Central America. Additionally, the CIA engaged in specific assassinations of political leaders largely in Latin America but not really what anyone would consider terrorism by the current definition. You're statement that a large portion of terrorism has been backed by the United States would require expansive definitions of 'large portion', 'terrorism' or 'backed' to be true.

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#65

Does anyone know what the QUANTUM attack they refer to is? It doesn't seem like quantum computing on the face of it; It looks like it may be a system used to disrupt traffic on the internet, possibly man in the middle attacks. Edit: I found a reference to something called a "Quantum Insert" in an article related to GCHQ. They state the following: According to the slides in the GCHQ presentation, the attack was direct…

This is enabled by a very obvious flaw in the CA infrastructure that SSL/TLS is based upon. All it takes is someone with leverage over the top level certificate authority and the DNS servers you use and there's nothing you can do to detect that's what's going on. That's a huge and very obvious flaw in the system that anyone questioning what they can trust on the internet should have spotted a mile away.

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#66
I also quite like the point "Analytics: Cookie Leakage", like anyone that uses Tor doesn't use it in incognito mode with cookies disabled... or flushes their cookies before they use anything else...

... that either says they're stupid, or they're only after stupid terrorists... as if they're the ones they should really be concerned about.

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#67
post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's the new red scare, the new Soviet. We American's require a boogeyman. In all fairness, most countries do. Watching South American leaders lately shows the exact same behavior. Find a foreign devil for everyone to rally against to hide domestic issues.

Soviets were not some bogeyman. They were real, their spies were real, and the international communist movement they sponsored was real. Rosenbergs and others did spy for the Soviets. They did successfully transfer secrets related to the atomic bomb. And they were ideologically motivated.

Something something McCarthyism.

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#68

Does anyone know what the QUANTUM attack they refer to is? It doesn't seem like quantum computing on the face of it; It looks like it may be a system used to disrupt traffic on the internet, possibly man in the middle attacks. Edit: I found a reference to something called a "Quantum Insert" in an article related to GCHQ. They state the following: According to the slides in the GCHQ presentation, the attack was direct…

"To trick targets into visiting a FoxAcid server, the NSA relies on its secret partnerships with US telecoms companies. As part of the Turmoil system, the NSA places secret servers, codenamed Quantum, at key places on the internet backbone. This placement ensures that they can react faster than other websites can. By exploiting that speed difference, these servers can impersonate a visited website to the target before the legitimate website can respond, thereby tricking the target's browser to visit a Foxacid server.

In the academic literature, these are called "man-on-the-middle" attacks, and have been known to the commercial and academic security communities. More specifically, they are examples of "man-on-the-side" attacks."

Read more here: www.theguardian.com/world/2013/oct/04/tor-attacks-nsa-users-online-anonymity

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#69
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Page 5: "Terrorist with Tor client installed" And its a picture of a guy with a bandit mask and an AK-47. I don't know about you guys, but all my Tor activities are performed in my Halloween costume! I honestly can't believe something this tacky would end up in a presentation. Is this supposed to be propaganda?

Oh, come on, they're humans too, and thus subject to deliberately unfunny jokes in (technical or not) slide presentations like the rest of us. From a quick look this one seems more plausible than the absurd PRISM presentation.

>From a quick look this one seems more plausible than the absurd PRISM presentation.

Are you suggesting that the leaked PRISM presentations are not authentic?

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post #4

Page 5: "Terrorist with Tor client installed" And its a picture of a guy with a bandit mask and an AK-47. I don't know about you guys, but all my Tor activities are performed in my Halloween costume! I honestly can't believe something this tacky would end up in a presentation. Is this supposed to be propaganda?

Can we pleeeeease make this the new default icon for the OnionBrowser Bundle?

(edited to remove broken image link)

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