I'm looking forward to better mobile support. Currently I can't sync contacts at all because the only Android LDAP contacts app seems not to be purchasable.
FastMail staff purchase the business from Opera
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Re: FastMail staff purchase the business from Opera
#62Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't think many people used Opera because of it's rendering engine; they used it because of the GUI and high-level features. Moving to webkit just let them focus on what actually made them unique to their customers.
The Myopera forums are rife with users complaining about missing features in the Opera 15+. Any unique features which distinguished Opera have been axed and most solutions seem to point towards using browser addons to accomplish what was previously in-built. They might have gained a few users, but it appears the majority of the current userbase will be sticking with Opera 12 for the time being.
Yes, but from what I understand their plan is to bring back most of the features in the future (I remember them mentioning specifically bookmarks, opera link and tab thumbnails), until then: Opera 12.
On the other side Chrome based Opera is also starting to look pretty good in it's own rights: it's fast and snappy, mouse gestures are there if I'm not mistaken, page stack (or whatever the name is) is cool. If I would to choose between Chrome and Opera 16 now I would go with the latter (also because Chrome really pushes too much Google on the user).
Re: FastMail staff purchase the business from Opera
#63Not impressed with Fastmail - I tried their free offer, wasn't impressed, and didn't sign up for the paid service. I've since had over 100 (yup) emails telling me of my "OVERDUE PAYMENT" (the caps are theirs), and they ignore correspondence requesting that they stop. Marketing via harrassment - interesting tactic, and incredibly bad form, IMHO.
Re: FastMail staff purchase the business from Opera
#64This is more interesting for what it means for Opera than for what it means to Fastmail. First they abandon their browser engine, now a top-notch webmail offering. What do Opera even offer these days that you can't get elsewhere? What 'long term vision' is Rob speaking of?
Unless Opera are building themselves their own little Firefox OS kind of thing they're pretty much fucked moving forward. On the desktop their move to webkit successfully destroyed every reason to use Opera and doesn't measure up against rivals, and they've been netscaped out of mobile.
> and they've been netscaped out of mobile.
Not sure what you mean. Just FYI : at least on Android phones, among FF, Chrome, Opera (and the default browser), Opera's text flow is the best by far. You can zoom in and read any article on any site, and it does just the right thing. There is honestly an element of fear when you use Firefox for the same thing: it's absolutely unpredictable what it will do when you zoom in. I can sympathize with the developers since the re-layout of a page, figuring out whether the user wants to zoom in on the text or the image, etc; may be quite difficult. Opera Mobile has seemingly perfected this over years and years.
Re: FastMail staff purchase the business from Opera
#65I'm looking forward to better mobile support. Currently I can't sync contacts at all because the only Android LDAP contacts app seems not to be purchasable.
I went with contact-management (and calendar-management) via owncloud.
There's two apps in the Play store, one for CardDAV[1] and one for CalDAV[2].
That setup works for me.
[1]: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.dmfs.cardd...
[2]: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.dmfs.calda...
Re: FastMail staff purchase the business from Opera
#66If anyone at Opera is reading this: Please open source Carakan and Presto - don't let them rot, and us hackers have what to learn with them (and potentially do with them). GPL is fine, and may let you still monetize it. (And ... it's not like it's giving you any advantage - you've switched away from both)
From this presentation ( http://vimeo.com/73934576 ): Presto don't go open source in the foreseeable future, cause Opera don't want to lose support contracts for the TV browsers. That's makes sense.
Would it not be possible to add some terms to the licence to protect that revenue stream in some way?
Re: FastMail staff purchase the business from Opera
#67I'm a big fan of Fastmail, and I'm tentatively excited about this announcement. Missing CardDAV/CalDav sync ability is sorely missing, so it's good to see the developers talking about it. I'd also like to see (and would pay for) options where the data is located in other countries, away from the United States. It's really symbolic, but also practical: I'd like my data closer to where I live.
Seconding this.
Currently I'm fine having that live in owncloud, but should fastmail start supporting it, I may want to sync these data-sets.
Not sure I want to move everything into one place and one place only though. If it was one thing my migration from Google Apps taught me, it was that having too much stuff auto-integrated in one place makes it much harder to have control of your own data.
It severely limits your options to mix and mash best of breed services as you see fit.
Re: FastMail staff purchase the business from Opera
#68Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's not an "oh well" attitude. In fact, I'm advocating that if you actually want your data private and secure, you shouldn't be hosting on someone else's computer at all! You shouldn't be practicing security through good-will (good will assurances by a party that they aren't snooping). I send most of emails through gmail because I don't care if the NSA reads them. For my cross-border drug deals, I use carrier pigeon…
Do carrier-pigeons count as a third-party? > It's not an "oh well" attitude. > I don't care if the NSA reads them.. Indeed. However, I've used Royal Mail (postal service in UK) all my life without thinking that I needed to worry about what I said - I always found that very liberating, looking back. Even postcards I assumed wouldn't be read by anyone, and certainly not photographed and archived permanently against my…
The whole situation arose because the government wasn't supposed to invade privacy, but it did anyways. So if policy is changed we'd just be back where we were before.
Re: FastMail staff purchase the business from Opera
#69Earlier quoted context omitted.
Unless Opera are building themselves their own little Firefox OS kind of thing they're pretty much fucked moving forward. On the desktop their move to webkit successfully destroyed every reason to use Opera and doesn't measure up against rivals, and they've been netscaped out of mobile.
> and they've been netscaped out of mobile. Not sure what you mean. Just FYI : at least on Android phones, among FF, Chrome, Opera (and the default browser), Opera's text flow is the best by far. You can zoom in and read any article on any site, and it does just the right thing. There is honestly an element of fear when you use Firefox for the same thing: it's absolutely unpredictable what it will do when you zoom in…
>There is honestly an element of fear when you use Firefox for the same thing
I don't know what you mean. No Android browser matches mobile Safari for the slickness of zooming into pages, but FF mobile just works fine.
Re: FastMail staff purchase the business from Opera
#70Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think you're generally correct about users not caring about the rendering engine for the most part. I wouldn't care at all that they ditched Presto if it meant they retained all the previous features and user interface they had before transitioning. However, I am worried that is unlikely to happen. Looking at the course Blink based Opera has taken thus far, it doesn't look like they're focusing on keeping current u…
I still use Opera 12 because of the lack of features in the new version. My biggest pet peevs: Ctrl+Tab behavior (Opera default was 'previous tab' now it's 'next tab') and no thumbnails tabs on the left, and they removed the email client.
I'm also sticking to Opera 12, missing quite a lot of features in the Blink version...